"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Escaping the Friend-Zone

TheMinistered

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Lately, I've just been making lots of friends with all types of people. I have a few girls that I like to fool around with, however I have a few friends that I want to get into an actual relationship with. I've never attempted to pull one from the friend-zone to the romantic-zone, as I always kept the two seperated. So, any and all advice is wanted.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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WhAcKeD!

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I would go on a date with some, have like hella fun with them, such as bowling or mini golf, prove to them how fun you are, and definetely use kino to your advantage, and then break off contact with them, youll be surprised of the affects it has on them when they realize that a fun part of their life is gone and they want it back, reverse the roles play hard to get :)
 

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What you do not wanna do is to get the friend relationship completely established. That kills all chances of a quick fling or some nice hot fun. Talk to em often, but you still want to give the overall impression of the boy she would not wanna take home to mommy. Just like us, girls seperate guys into two categories - the ones they fuck and the ones they talk to.
 

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Senor Fingers posted an excelent post on this in the tips forum. His name might have also been Mr.Fingers. I encourage you to read it because it truly is amazing .
 

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I'm pretty sure that there are parts in the bible that cover this topic extensively...I would recommend perusing it for answers, as you will most likely get a more complete answer to your problem anyway.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Ace of Spades

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I don't think that it's possible to move beyond being friends.

Here's what happened to me lately:

I asked my best friend's good female friend to prom, and (naturally) she accepted. Then, two days later, he tells me he wants to take her out on a date. I figure it's no big deal, because it won't work anyways, you can't move beyond LJBF.

Long story short, he takes her out, she feels uncomfortable and doesn't wanna lose her "pal", and they haven't spoken since.

I also read this hillarious parody on the two ladders women have with men. One is simply for friends, the other for potential mates. I forgot the name of it, but I'll post the URL if I come across it.
 

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Ladder Theory

Here is the link you speak of. Interesting stuff, seems fairly accurate.

edit: as the link contains a word that is censored, it won't let me make a direct hyperlink. The site is http://www.intellectualw hores.com/masterladder.html

without the break of course.
 
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