"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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dunno how to handle this..next move?

nice_guyeh

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so i have a friend, havent seen much of eachother lately, 1 or 2 times within 2 weeks

i wouldnt say im super deep into the friend zone, we are friends, but not 12 feet deep into friend zone.
i like her,shes cute and funny. i wana make a move, get her to go steady with me i guess. but i dont wana **** it up,and then have it be awkward afterwards..

when we hang out,it usually with other friends. drink, chill do whatever..
she always smiling at me, looking at me,being goofy around me

so i want to know what/how i can tell her im interested and want to get together more often

advice?
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Two big things:

You don't TALK your way into sexual attraction. It's not like, "Hey, so we've been friends for a while. I was thinking we should go on a date."

It's more like, you and her are out getting drinks, throughout the night, you're casually touching her, which escalates to more touching, which escalates to makeout. You can never TELL a woman that you're interested. You just have to man up and show it.

And my second point - You shouldnt think about "going steady" with a girl you've never dated. Your relationship with her as a friend is nothing like what your relationship would be as a couple. You have no idea what she's like romantically, so anything you're envisioning is a fairytale. Take it slow. Baby steps. Your first concern is expressing a sexual attraction. From there, maybe it gets more serious. And from there, maybe you "go steady".
 

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senior fingers has a good post which you should read if you can dig it up somewhere...basically any man can escape the friend zone imo. The trick is to not force it and let it come naturally. If it is there between you it will find a way.
 
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