"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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dunno how to handle this..next move?

nice_guyeh

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so i have a friend, havent seen much of eachother lately, 1 or 2 times within 2 weeks

i wouldnt say im super deep into the friend zone, we are friends, but not 12 feet deep into friend zone.
i like her,shes cute and funny. i wana make a move, get her to go steady with me i guess. but i dont wana **** it up,and then have it be awkward afterwards..

when we hang out,it usually with other friends. drink, chill do whatever..
she always smiling at me, looking at me,being goofy around me

so i want to know what/how i can tell her im interested and want to get together more often

advice?
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Iceberg

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Two big things:

You don't TALK your way into sexual attraction. It's not like, "Hey, so we've been friends for a while. I was thinking we should go on a date."

It's more like, you and her are out getting drinks, throughout the night, you're casually touching her, which escalates to more touching, which escalates to makeout. You can never TELL a woman that you're interested. You just have to man up and show it.

And my second point - You shouldnt think about "going steady" with a girl you've never dated. Your relationship with her as a friend is nothing like what your relationship would be as a couple. You have no idea what she's like romantically, so anything you're envisioning is a fairytale. Take it slow. Baby steps. Your first concern is expressing a sexual attraction. From there, maybe it gets more serious. And from there, maybe you "go steady".
 

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senior fingers has a good post which you should read if you can dig it up somewhere...basically any man can escape the friend zone imo. The trick is to not force it and let it come naturally. If it is there between you it will find a way.
 
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