Drug discussion general thread

[FlexpertHamilton]

Is drug discussion allowed here? If not we can at least discuss our experiences legal drugs, especially in the context of meeting women. I can start off by asking, has anyone tried Phenibut before dates?

 

[Pandora]

I spent most of my years before 35 doing vast quantities of weed, coke, MDMA and it really took a terrible toll on my mental health.

The only thing I really seek out these days are psychadelics, particularly mushrooms which I enjoy and do about once or twice a year.

Recentlt wife was away so got involved in some mushroom chocolate I had saved. I forgot the guidance and took 1.5 times the “max you should do” dose.

I had a full on ego death experience and it was once hell of a ride. I am always respectful of psychadelics but I kind of f-d up. I am glad in some ways as I proved that I can handle it.

Haha bro I am the same. I was on a psychedelic journey the last 4 yrs. Did a bunch of shrooms which made me a better person. It made me much more loving even though I still have work to do.

I had to stop because I went overboad when I took too much LSA ( 10 times the regular dose). I also had an ego death and it was horrifying. It was so lonely, sad and solopsistic. Never again.

MDMA however is a wonderful drug that should be legal again.

 

[Pandora]

well, I had a full on depressive hospitalisation episode from a mdma comedown. Actually hurt myself. I was 21, did like 2.5G (madness I know) and then my GF chucked me, my job were going to fire me and I flipped out. MDMA has a very dark side, I stopped doing it as the comedowns were brutal. Coke ones are more intense but they are over quick but Mandy ones go on for days.

When I did those shrooms I worked it out to 3.5G. I haven’t done them much before. That’s quite a lot I think!

LSD/A I don’t want as you can get in real trouble and yes that kind of ego death is hard as it goes on SO long. shrooms are a few hours….LSD over dosing lasts 20 years it feels like. In reality it can be 12 hours.

my memory of LSD is thinking “right, I’m in the afterglow now let’s get something to eat” and then an hour later having been somewhat normal, at the restaurant the table starts melting and you can’t work out how to pay.

Lol yes everything you say is def true. I have experienced most of it.

For MDMA I would be afraid to take 2.5Grams. That stuff is potentially deadly due to serotonin overload. Was yours pure MDMA? Impressive that you did not overheat.

The best conversations are when you are talking to a beautiful female at an electronic show and you are on pure MDMA. Epic game. Total openess. The music is pulsating through your body. She is looking in your eyes totally locked in. Damn. There is nothing like it. For anyone struggling with cold approach try it. It is insane.

I was never a fan of coke. I dont get it. It costs too much and its like having a cup of coffee.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

my memory of LSD is thinking “right, I’m in the afterglow now let’s get something to eat” and then an hour later having been somewhat normal, at the restaurant the table starts melting and you can’t work out how to pay.

I like this strategy for a bad date. Flashbacks can happen over 20 years later I hear.

 

[RickPound]

“Social doses” of psychedelics are helpful for having a good time with women when at concerts, festivals, nights out. It’s enough for to loosen up and feel it, connect on a higher level, but not be so messed up you can’t function.

Having some and sharing it with women also helps with status/social proof.

 

[Pandora]

“Social doses” of psychedelics are helpful for having a good time with women when at concerts, festivals, nights out. It’s enough for to loosen up and feel it, connect on a higher level, but not be so messed up you can’t function.

Having some and sharing it with women also helps with status/social proof.

Oh yeh. It totally does.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

The nootropics industry is too chaotic to get involved in. There's almost no way to navigate it without getting scammed at least once or twice.

It's too chaotic for midwits who can't be bothered to do real research. You can do preliminary research for most supplements on examine.com, then search on pubmed and read articles. It's not that hard, you don't need to be an MD to read these papers. But people just don't have the patience for it. They just base their decisions off of word of mouth or some stupid article or youtuber who recommends things. I've never been scammed once because I research very carefully. Many nootropics I've used provided real benefit. That said I do think the majority of nootropics and supplements are pointless, and the majority of brands are chinese bullshvt, but if you take the time to research you can definitely find legitimately useful stuff.

I don't think this response is exactly what OP is looking for. But chocolate probably has the best risk:reward + effort:reward ratios of anything of the sort. I've looked before.

I love dark chocolate or raw cocoa powder. It definitely has real benefit and psychoactive components. Only issue is that the half life is very short iirc, like 15 minutes. I think you can extent it with MAOIs like piperine.

I spent most of my years before 35 doing vast quantities of weed, coke, MDMA and it really took a terrible toll on my mental health.

The only thing I really seek out these days are psychadelics, particularly mushrooms which I enjoy and do about once or twice a year.

Recentlt wife was away so got involved in some mushroom chocolate I had saved. I forgot the guidance and took 1.5 times the “max you should do” dose.

I had a full on ego death experience and it was once hell of a ride. I am always respectful of psychadelics but I kind of f-d up. I am glad in some ways as I proved that I can handle it.

I'm not surprised those ruined your mental health....I've done coke a few times and while I'd do it again I would be very cautious. I'm not sure I'd ever do MDMA unless it was supplied directly from a clandestine MD chemist with his own legitimate lab. Even then, there's evidence it's neurotoxic. Problem is that "street" molly is adulterated and you have no idea what you're really getting. Good to hear about your experience with mushrooms. Mushrooms are by far the most forgiving psychedelic for newbies (except maybe DMT).

“Social doses” of psychedelics are helpful for having a good time with women when at concerts, festivals, nights out. It’s enough for to loosen up and feel it, connect on a higher level, but not be so messed up you can’t function.

Having some and sharing it with women also helps with status/social proof.

I find this fascinating that people can function socially on psychedelics. I can do them with 1 other person but that's about it. I did once do them with this latina chick I was seeing and it was actually really interesting and we had good conversation. But going out in public to socialize on them is crazy to me. I can't take more than 1/2g of mushrooms and expect to talk to people, it's just too intense. I can sort of see how a concert/festival might work though since you can just kinda vibe with the crowd and you don't have to interact with them deeply.

 

[Bible_Belt]

The coke is so sh1tty in small town middle America that the guys I knew who did it had to make crack in order to get high....which reminds me of a song

 

[The Duke]

So do you guys that are into drugs ever worry about Fentanyl? I know very little, just what I hear in the media which makes it sound like every drug out there is laced with fentanyl and is going to kill you. And if fentanyl is so deadly then why is it so common?

 

[Divorced w 3]

No drugs for me, thank you.

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No matter how hard they try, nothing better than a good bong rip. That’s a wild idea though, vaping into a bong. I used to have the handheld vape but I’m too lazy. I smoked like 15 joints the last probably week. They’re so smelly but it’s ritualistic and I love it. Usually I am an edibles guy, and honestly over the last year and a half not a lot of cannabis in general.

 

[DarwinTaurus]

LSD/A I don’t want as you can get in real trouble and yes that kind of ego death is hard as it goes on SO long. shrooms are a few hours….LSD over dosing lasts 20 years it feels like. In reality it can be 12 hours.

Yes, LSD is definitely a 12 hour roller-coaster ride that once you are on, you cannot get off. I've tried it about half a dozen times.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Has anyone tried Kratom? I haven't. It is legal in the US, at least for now.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Not my thing...I am OK with reality, I don't need to hide from it and go off into my own world.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Has anyone tried Kratom? I haven't. It is legal in the US, at least for now.

Wouldn't touch that stuff...unregulated and too many people getting toxic doses or other stuff that isn't supposed to be in there.

 

[Young OG]

I’ve done weed, coke, LSD, OxyContin, Percocet, Lean, etc. I regret all of it. I haven’t done anything but weed for years now but I wish I would have never even tried weed. Now that I’m older, I’ve realized that drugs will only ruin your life. Drugs make you happy with being mediocre. The people that run the world want us high on drugs and be weak men.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

Has anyone tried Kratom? I haven't. It is legal in the US, at least for now.

I have been using it sporadically for nearly 10 years (never used it continuosly, took multiple 1yr+ long breaks during that span). A lot of people misunderstand it. The red veins, in high doses, have a mild to moderate opiate effect, while the white/yellow veins in low doses have a stimulatory effect. I've only ever been interested in the latter, and I know the opiate effects are almost non existent for me, because I've rarely experienced any constipation, but if I do it's mild and I take that as a sign to take good break. The biggest side effect is a lowering of Test, but mine doesn't seem to be effected much because it was still 1200ng/DL mid use.

Kratom, for me, is incredibly useful for workouts, I can take it in a 24 hr fast and still have a killer workout. It produces a mild mood and cognitive and confidence boost that isn't euphoric or overly stimulating. Most people use reds in high doses and become addicted and imo they're clowns and in complete denial. Using white veins in small doses can still be addicting though, but in a different way, i'd say overall about as addicting as caffeine. Kratom is in fact in the same family as the coffee bean, which is interesting.

The biggest issue with kratom though is definitely the suppliers. There are high quality brands that do testing and with a bit of research you can find some. If you're going to do it I suggest white veins only, and dose in the range of 1.5g-3, ideally twice a week at most. In that range the side effects are minimal and it's almost purely stimulatory. Many people take doses over 4g up to multiple times a day, and that's way too much imo.

 

[Divorced w 3]

I’ve done weed, coke, LSD, OxyContin, Percocet, Lean, etc. I regret all of it. I haven’t done anything but weed for years now but I wish I would have never even tried weed. Now that I’m older, I’ve realized that drugs will only ruin your life. Drugs make you happy with being mediocre. The people that run the world want us high on drugs and be weak men.

That’s like, your opinion man

 

[Young OG]

That’s like, your opinion man

Drugs effect everyone differently

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Titties is my drug.

 

[Divorced w 3]

Like a good catholic two easters ago I was blowing coke maybe four days out of my marriage around 2am with some slump buster that I met out at the bar, and then I slept in my boys driveway bc the house was locked. His dad gave me a pass. That was the last time I did blow and prior to that was probably 15 years at least prior.