drivin in the car with a cougar

[Kineti[C]harm]

You can be rough, tough and have strong-hands but still have soft skin.

 

[00Kevin]

Originally posted by Kineti[C]harm
The fact that The US is so far behind when it comes to trends, fashion and such things makes the image of a western man nothing like an american but more like a european/scandinavian.

I wouldn't mess with those european/scandinavian. most are giant vikings that will split your skull in two

 

[Walk this Way]

In a number of Asian countries (India, and nations in southeast Asia), it is completely okay for men to wear bright colors, earrings and other jewelry, and grow their hair longer, as well as even use some body paint (many Hindus will paint their foreheads with religious symbols).

As an Indian myself, I had eight years of training in Indian Dance in the United States, something VERY FEW Asian men have the guts to pursue. A large number of Asian men in their native countries though are encouraged to learn classical dance, where they wear bright costumes, lipstick, and face powder that women in this country use. Paintings of Indian men in these cultures don't have the idealistic, testosterone-injected tone. In fact, many are portrayed in curvy, sensual styles.

When I visited Singapore some time ago, I found that men frequently applied some form of makeup and wore jewelry, and were often more open to other men than we are in the United States and Western Europe.

The same applies to women. In Africa, a "beautiful" woman is not necessarily slim and curvy but voluminous and robust. Even I find that difficult to imagine, but until globalization imposed new standards on the physical appearance of Africans, this was the case.

 

[xblitz44x]

Jesus, this is getting ridiculous. We're evolving. That's all. There is no male/female war going on. People are still having just as much sex as ever. Men still like women, women still like men. If you really weren't threatened by a 'feminine male' or whatever you call it, then you'd have no spite towards them and would just let them do their thing.

If you have bloody chapped hands but refuse to treat them because your ego feels threatened, you've got some issues there. It's just soft skin. Masculinity is not so superficial. It's the essence of who he is. Vin Diesel could use lotion, wax his eye brows, and tan and he'd still be a masculine icon, while Justin Timberlake can never touch a lotion, and pretend to be Mr. Alpha Male...doesn't make one bit of difference. It's clear which one is more masculine. Now which one is more attractive, that will always be relative.

 

[00Kevin]

Originally posted by Walk this Way
In a number of Asian countries (India, and nations in southeast Asia), it is completely okay for men to wear bright colors, earrings and other jewelry, and grow their hair longer, as well as even use some body paint (many Hindus will paint their foreheads with religious symbols).

As an Indian myself, I had eight years of training in Indian Dance in the United States, something VERY FEW Asian men have the guts to pursue. A large number of Asian men in their native countries though are encouraged to learn classical dance, where they wear bright costumes, lipstick, and face powder that women in this country use. Paintings of Indian men in these cultures don't have the idealistic, testosterone-injected tone. In fact, many are portrayed in curvy, sensual styles.

When I visited Singapore some time ago, I found that men frequently applied some form of makeup and wore jewelry, and were often more open to other men than we are in the United States and Western Europe.

The same applies to women. In Africa, a "beautiful" woman is not necessarily slim and curvy but voluminous and robust. Even I find that difficult to imagine, but until globalization imposed new standards on the physical appearance of Africans, this was the case.

still in each of these cultures women are the submissive ones. And the men do not beautify themselves to get other females.
ie they don't grow their hair long or wear jewlery because women say so. the

In fact, in these cultures the women are even more submisive then the women found in western cultures (Arranged marrages, head coverings. etc.. ) It is therefore logical that a western man has to be all that much stronger than his eastern counterpart if he wants to keep a western woman.
but this doesn't just apply to western people. for example, I doubt any of these males would fair well with a strong Scottish woman.

 

[00Kevin]

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[00Kevin]

Originally posted by xblitz44x
Jesus, this is getting ridiculous. We're evolving. That's all. There is no male/female war going on. People are still having just as much sex as ever. Men still like women, women still like men. If you really weren't threatened by a 'feminine male' or whatever you call it, then you'd have no spite towards them and would just let them do their thing.

If you have bloody chapped hands but refuse to treat them because your ego feels threatened, you've got some issues there. It's just soft skin. Masculinity is not so superficial. It's the essence of who he is. Vin Diesel could use lotion, wax his eye brows, and tan and he'd still be a masculine icon, while Justin Timberlake can never touch a lotion, and pretend to be Mr. Alpha Male...doesn't make one bit of difference. It's clear which one is more masculine. Now which one is more attractive, that will always be relative.

flys make me sick, but I'm not threatened by them. I swat them dead. same is true with the feminized male. it is just a natural reaction

 

[MetalFortress]

Originally posted by Kineti[C]harm
The fact that The US is so far behind when it comes to trends, fashion and such things makes the image of a western man nothing like an american but more like a european/scandinavian.

Since when should a man worry himself with trends and fashion? I have much bigger fish to fry than whether I'm up with the latest trends.

 

[Jon E]

Originally posted by 00Kevin
If I was to make a list of things that a man doesn't do. Puting hand cream on every day an taking bubble baths would be on that list.

1. Religious use of hand cream. If a woman offers you some reject her and give her a strange look.

2. bubble bath. no.. you don't have a pu*sy to clean.

3. don't shave your legs (unless you are a biker)

4. don't use make-up

5. Plays lots of video games.

 

[alboh]

If you saw Clint Eastwood rubbing his hands with lotion, would you tell him he's not a real man?

00Kevin you are judging peoples' manliness by what cosmetic products they use. I think you even had a thread about the AFC and DJ way to stop your car at a red light! That all sounds pretty feminine to me.

 

[Krassus]

I used to think like you and then finally gave up and used some creme when my hands started bleeding from about 6-7 cracks in one day.

 

[TheRisingSon]

Kevin,

I agree with you fully! I wish men were like they were in the past! Look at the knights and nobles in 13th century Europe. They didn't give a sh!t about fashion and looks. Well, yes, they wore sleeves that were so long that the dipped into their soup dowls. And of course, their shoes were so pointed that they had to tie them to their legs. But, wait... I guess even "BraveHeart" cared how he looked.

(P.S. you aren't of European decent? I will give you examples from any culture/time you mention. Humans have always been human. I suggest learning to take care of yourself, in all ways.).

I Have Risen

 

[lynx]

Having lived and traveled all over the globe, I've learned that what passes for femininity in some countries is considered quite normal (and even manly) in others. What matters is how you feel about the man that you are. Why make fun of a guy who likes having soft hands? Why not use that energy for something else?

 

[captn caveman]

So, at least about handcream:

I am biking to work every morning, and just this week it has gotte 10 degrees celcius... Before that the last two weeks were zero...

I have gloves but at speed they do not help much...

So, first week I used some almond cream and my hands had no problems...

Second week I quit, and in the middle, training on a puncbag, ripped open my three knuckles because my skin was dried out.

So, choose between three wounded knuckles or handcream; I choose the latter..



But then, guys, who wear tanga's under their pants,

Pluck their eyebrows,

Use the eyebrow pencils...

Now that is a different issue...

 

[Kineti[C]harm]

Nothing wrong with plucking eyebrows... I do that actually, pluck if I get any strands between the brows.

 

[PuertoRican_Lover]

I thought this thread was about a cougar?

 

[wolfie]

00Kevin, you seem obsessed with the 'image' of how a man must present himself in your culture - which is all you really are describing, your culture.
Putting on hand cream does not make you any less strong or masculine, if you equate the two. Your recalcitrance and unacceptance of this issue hints at quite an insecurity. Who the hell cares if some metro guy uses hand cream? Is it in any way detrimental to him? Is it impractical in any way? Or does he just have to have rough hands to conform with your perceptions of 'the way things should be'.
I think masculinity is summed up very well in this article -
http://www.claremont.org/writings/crb/winter2003/moore.html

The concept of "Thumos" , or manly passions is a good description of what REALLY makes a strong, masculine man, not superficial manifestations like 'having rough hands', wearing a wife beater, driving a pickup truck or whatever the hell you're thinking of. Manliness is determined by the convictions and assertiveness with which you think and act, not playing at trying to LOOK like what your culture perceives a man to be. In this respect, homosexuals can be manly too as long as they act with strength and conviction.

 

[PuertoRican_Lover]

The issue is not about 'hand creme', the issue is about th e mindset behind it! Of course you should use lotion if your face and hands are dry, but to use it because you want your hands to look pretty and soft - well, that is what women do. Everyday women do a ritual of lotions and face creams for the purpose of trying to look young and pretty and soft for the men!!!!

 

[obijuan]

Originally posted by 00Kevin


The cougar girl in the front seat said, "why what is wrong with that?"

What's a "cougar girl"???

 

[Best friends? NAY]

umm Jon E....why shouldn't men play alot of video games?