"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Does she want to be friends or more?

The Duke

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I've got this 36yo girl HB9 that I dated for 4months this past spring/summer. Our relationship ended about 3months ago and we never contacted each other during that time. She contacted me earlier this week and would like to have "something" with me.

Let me give you a little background on our past:
-Great chemistry.
-Shes a single mom, totally into her kids.
-We got along great.
-I was totally into this girl.
-She was into me slightly less than I was her.

Basically our relationship ended because she decided I was too good for her and she wasn't deserving of me, was still dealing with the pain from her cancer and wasn't cancer free yet and didn't want to burden me, she had to deal with her ex over custody of the kids. Her emotional/physical/mental plate was FULL. She didn't have the energy to devote to a significant man in her life.

At the point where we ended our 4month relationship she basically wanted to be friends. I said "HELL NO" its all or nothing thats what they make gay men for. I made it perfectly clear that I didn't want anything to do with her if we were just "friends". I doubt she has forgotten it lol. I pretty much tore her ass a knew one when I let her know. A few weeks following the breakup she contacted me again and I told her to get lost because I thought she was trying to get on the "friend" bandwagon again. Who knows maybe she wasn't.

Now she has several of her personal issues put to bed and has contacted me. I don't know if she wants to be friends or more. I don't like living in limbo of not knowing. Makes me anxious and patience isn't my strong point.

She struggles with what God thinks about relationships and what she has done in the past. She is a little old school when it comes to dating.

She keeps saying she wants to talk about "us". She's asked me if I am seeing anybody. She's said she doesn't want to leap into anything. She still cries when she hears our songs on the radio. She says she could never stop thinking of me. blah blah blah. lol.

This girl has made some bad choices in regards to relationships in her past. She has been hurt because of her bad choices. I think she has learned her lesson and is trying to do it right this time around.

My gut tells me she wants to build a friendship with the possibility of a relationship as the end result. If the relationship is the end goal then I'm all about taking whatever time is required. No way am I interested in just being friends as the final outcome. I don't care to be "Just" friends with any woman.

Her and I definitely need to sit down and have a long discussion. But I don't want to set my self up for failure either.

Any advice would be great. I have dated way too many women in my life and this is one of those that stands out from the rest. Have any of you guys been in a similar position? What the hell should I do?
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Scaramouche

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Dear Howlest,
Why don't you post your age?.....This Woman sounds like an accident waiting to happen....Do you really want to get tied up with a Woman who has so many problems?....."She still cries when she hears our songs on the radio."","She struggles with what God thinks about relationships"sounds emotionally immature to me....."No way am I interested in just being friends as the final outcome. I don't care to be "Just" friends with any woman."Oh don't worry about that Howlest,she has other plans for you.
 

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Howiestern said:
I pretty much tore her ass a knew one when I let her know.
She has cancer and you say you tore her ass a new one.

Where are your moral values?
 

Kailex

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Even without the cancer, she's a single mom. MOVE ON.

5string should have automatically linked his newest thread onto his response.

Go find yourself a single woman without so many issues.

AND LIST YOUR AGE.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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vatoloco

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Dude, sh!itloads of drama with this one.

In addition to what all the others have mentioned, let me ask you. Have you heard of "Branch Theory"? Sounds to me like her "new" branch 3 months ago wasn't as an attractive branch as she thought and now she wants to swing back to yours...

Do you like being sloppy seconds? ;)
 

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single mom!? you couldn't go for the other million fine lasses with out kids?
 
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