"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Does "No Contact" really work?

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LovelyLady said:
I did, I just added to my post/edited while you were writing me. Again, my apologies.

You don't need to apologize I appreciate your input.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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That is very gentlemanly of you, thank you.





(and just so everyone is clear on this: "gentlemanly" is NOT an AFC trait :rolleyes:

:crackup: :crackup: :crackup:
 
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LovelyLady said:
To most women - a man who is still having sex with an ex is not truly available. If you asked her on A DATE - much less a second one - it seems logical she assumed you didn't have a girl friend. But hey, call me crazy ;)
I love this logic.

Does this mean if a woman accepts a date, ESPECIALLY a second date, she is seeing NO other man?

Sure, go back to fantasyland now.
 

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My Name is Nobody said:
No, I used ****y and funny when we started dating and it turned her off.

She doesn't need a ****y jerk right now, she needs an AFC. She just got divorced from a ****y jerk.

Something like that will set her off again, and she'll cuss me out.
Women don't know what they want, duh.

You can be witty and ****y, and STILL be the good guy.

Make her LAUGH.

If you can make ME laugh, you can make her laugh.
 
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Women don't know what they want, duh.

You can be witty and ****y, and STILL be the good guy.

Make her LAUGH.

If you can make ME laugh, you can make her laugh.

Again, we aren't dealing with a normal woman. She is a ticking bomb and she could go off at any moment.

Remember I texted her a few days ago? She responded

"You knucklehead leave me alone lose my # and have a nice life!!"

Then, I texted her yesterday, and she was actually civil, and nice? And we had somewhat of a normal conversation. She even texted me "goodnight" yesterday!

This girl is itching to pull the trigger and cuss me out. And to be honest, I don't want that at all it actually hurts my feelings.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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LovelyLady said:
You are correct Francisco - this is my error :) and will I be even more amused?....
This thread is a living soap opera but unlike a lot of epic threads of woe in the forum, this one does offer a ton of learning experience to offer. Even though it's still remarkably odd that MNIN is still drawn to this woman given their past history, I think he's grown a bit from it.
 

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My Name is Nobody said:
Again, we aren't dealing with a normal woman. She is a ticking bomb and she could go off at any moment.

Remember I texted her a few days ago? She responded

"You knucklehead leave me alone lose my # and have a nice life!!"

Then, I texted her yesterday, and she was actually civil, and nice? And we had somewhat of a normal conversation.

This girl is itching to pull the trigger and cuss me out. And to be honest, I don't want that at all it actually hurts my feelings.
maybe you should be in person when it happens, then you can have rough "let it all out" sex.

Just a suggestion.
 
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maybe you should be in person when it happens, then you can have rough "let it all out" sex.

Just a suggestion.

And how do you suggest I do that? I was trying with the "can we be friends" question, and she shot me down.

I don't think an invite to dinner will work at this point.
 

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My Name is Nobody said:
Again, we aren't dealing with a normal woman. She is a ticking bomb and she could go off at any moment.

Remember I texted her a few days ago? She responded

"You knucklehead leave me alone lose my # and have a nice life!!"

Then, I texted her yesterday, ....
I thought I took that poking stick away from you.
 

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MNIN - are you saying that, in truth, sexual relations with an ex is the same emotional experience for you as "meaningless" sex with a FWB person or a one night stand?
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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LovelyLady said:
MNIN - are you saying that, in truth, sexual relations with an ex is the same emotional experience for you as "meaningless" sex with a FWB person or a one night stand?

I wasn't even having sex with my ex. It was like we were married. And I kept seeing her because I was lonely.

Then I met new girl and I was ready to move on, but like Francisco said I didn't clean my house before moving in the new furniture. And it ruined everything.
 

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And how do you suggest I do that? I was trying with the "can we be friends" question, and she shot me down.

I don't think an invite to dinner will work at this point.
Well, you'd have to be smooth, of course.

I don't know. I'm approaching the situation from a devil may care standpoint.

If you are all extra SERIOUS, then this might not work.

Get into a text fight with her. After a few back and forths, tell her she hurt you and you never want to see her face again. After she replies, say you are coming over RIGHT NOW.

Go over there, and when she opens the door, act hurt and angry, and tell her that you are the best thing that never happened to her.

Then grab her and kiss her.

She will either really kill you this time, or there will be some crazy hot rough sex.

Depends on your risk taking level.
 
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Francisco d'Anconia said:
I thought I took that poking stick away from you.

I deleted her # a long time ago, but I have unintentionally memorized the digits. I actually told her that yesterday. She seemed to like it because that's when she started acting nice.
 

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this one does offer a ton of learning experience to offer
Too bad the OP isn't the recipient of it.

He's reactive, lacks self-control and keeps repeating the same patterns. He rationalizes his actions and discounts them and dismisses consequences but every now and then he has a moment of lucidity, a speck of clarity, but it never seems to last. He focuses a lot on outer game as if it's the end all and be all, but the work on his inner self, the hard work, is where the work needs to be done. But he doesn't really care.

The prognosis is that things are going to continue to go for this guy as they generally have. The day he realizes that it has to do with him and not the 'insane women', then he'll have the start of hopefully seeing major strides in an improved direction. If that day ever comes.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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iqqi said:
Well, you'd have to be smooth, of course.

I don't know. I'm approaching the situation from a devil may care standpoint.

If you are all extra SERIOUS, then this might not work.

Get into a text fight with her. After a few back and forths, tell her she hurt you and you never want to see her face again. After she replies, say you are coming over RIGHT NOW.

Go over there, and when she opens the door, act hurt and angry, and tell her that you are the best thing that never happened to her.

Then grab her and kiss her.

She will either really kill you this time, or there will be some crazy hot rough sex.

Depends on your risk taking level.

How do I start a text fight with her?
 
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iqqi said:
You could do that.

Or you could wait for a rainy, dark night....

Yeah I think I better wait. You know I am in no condition to drive.
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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