Does income determine value of the man

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Your ability to not give a **** and go after what you want in life is what defines you as a man. End of story.
 

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The harsh reality: yes, it does.

No disrespect intended towards anybody if my words sound harsh, not trying to offend, I'm just trying to dispel these fairy tales we've been told growing up -- this whole "money doesn't make the man" narrative is one of my pet peeves because it's predicated on a defeatist mentality. Only guys that don't have a drive to succeed say things like this to rationalize their own laziness.

Gentlemen, we're MEN. One of the main aspects of being a man is having financial stability. If you don't have financial stability you're not a man, you're an overgrown boy.

I grew up poor. My school years svcked because I was poorer than the other kids and they talked mad sh1t about me. My college years were worse because I was taking classes at community college and working in the stockroom at COSTCO part time just to pay for tuition and books. When I transferred to University it got even worse. Then after I graduated and found an entry level job in corporate America it got even WORSE. I was paid a low salary and worked like a slave. But I persevered all those years, moved up the ranks, and now I'm financially secure and live comfortably.

Aside from the philosophical debate about social status and perceived value, having money just makes it easier to have fun. I'm actually about to head out with some buddies to hit up the strip club. No better way to spend a saturday night than to make it rain in the club and take a hottie stripper to the VIP.

All those years I suffered and struggled definitely paid off and I don't have any regrets about toiling d@mn near 30 years just to get to the level that I'm at now.
I know complete beta males who have high paying jobs working over time getting fat and being saps to their wives and not being available for their kids. Not to say being financially stable isn't important, it is. But making money is definetly not the definition of a man.
 

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I know complete beta males who have high paying jobs working over time getting fat and being saps to their wives and not being available for their kids. Not to say being financially stable isn't important, it is. But making money is definetly not the definition of a man.
I also know plenty of guys living the "american dream." Most of them hate their lives. They have a wife who either got fat, or listens to news media like it's the end all. I'm not against having kids, but fvck that sh1t.
 

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To add on to this. Masculinity is your ability to flex your muscles. Not just physical, but your courage muscle, determination muscle, and toughness muscle. Your ability to take pain to get the gain. That is masculinity. Think about cave man days. The one who can take the most bs in life to get the good food and honey and work to build the best hut is the one that got the most respect and women.
 

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Okay, It's what you think about yourself in your brain and game that determines a man's value. You have to remember there is a lot of beta men who make a very good living and a lot of Alpha men that are losers but have the mindset to get women. The income thing is just a product of you. Alpha is a mindset. It has nothing to do with money.
 

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I am starting to believe that being genuine to himself determines the worth of a man. Living up to other peoples expectations for your life is the quickest way to become unhappy. In the last two years I stoped trying to live up to the expectations for me set by my community. I spent 30 years living to please others. I was miserable. Depressed. Used women to anesthetise myself. I was on a career path I hated. I sucked at it and I dreaded it. I only did it because it was expected of me. I lived in a certain neighborhood because it was expected on me. If I didn't do it I would be shamed out of my culture. Shame is a mofo.

I couple years ago I decided to quit. I had to be true to myself. I had to start all over financially, career wise etc. I was ostracized from my family and my community. But I am finally starting to become truly at peace. I went back and picked up all the stuff I didn't do when I was younger ( better late than never right). I began training in a martial art. Hey BibleBelt you partially inspired me to start training after I found out you did MMA and posted videos. Thanks for that. I also got serious with the guitar. I always wanted to get good with that. I am looking to pick up another hobby now...maybe stand up idk.

It is not just a cliche guys! You become a lot happier as a person once you become genuine to yourself. Forget the money. I am poor now. But its okay because I have time to actually do my hobbies. I am not at work or school 24/7. The money will come. Hopefully lol.

Being true to yourself means knowing your strengths and weakness. Pursuing only things that you are passionate about whether they are lucrative or not. Pursuing your God given talents. When you are genuine to yourself, you can be poor and still be proud of the man you see in the mirror.
 
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I am starting to believe that being genuine to himself determines the worth of a man. Living up to other peoples expectations for your life is the quickest way to become unhappy. In the last two years I stoped trying to live up to the expectations for me set by my community. I spent 30 years living to please others. I was miserable. Depressed. Used women to anesthetise myself. I was on a career path I hated. I sucked at it and I dreaded it. I only did it because it was expected of me. I lived in a certain neighborhood because it was expected on me. If I didn't do it I would be shamed out of my culture. Shame is a mofo.

I couple years ago I decided to quit. I had to be true to myself. I had to start all over financially, career wise etc. I was ostracized from my family and my community. But I am finally starting to become truly at peace. I went back and picked up all the stuff I didn't do when I was younger ( better late than never right). I began training in a martial art. Hey BibleBelt you partially inspired me to start training after I found out you did MMA and posted videos. Thanks for that. I also got serious with the guitar. I always wanted to get good with that. I am looking to pick up another hobby now...maybe stand up idk.

It is not just a cliche guys! You become a lot happier as a person once you become genuine to yourself. Forget the money. I am poor now. But its okay because I have time to actually do my hobbies. I am not at work or school 24/7. The money will come. Hopefully lol.

Being true to yourself means knowing your strengths and weakness. Pursuing only things that you are passionate about whether they are lucrative or not. Pursuing your God given talents. When you are genuine to yourself, you can be poor and still be proud of the man you see in the mirror.

Dude that is the key in your first sentence and I know what you are talking about living for others and being unhappy. Living for others is fine that's if you want to be a slave. You have to live for yourself and don't go along with the crowd. For me, that was 33 years of my life and when I took the red pill and went through the anger phase I had a lot of anger and resentment to a lot of people including my family. To be fair, family "think" they are helping you for your own best interest but in reality, if you do what your family wants you to do, you'll be unhappy and you'll be a slave. The reason they try and stop you for living a red pill life or going MGTOW is that they believe you are attacking their belief system. It goes against their ideals and they have to convince themselves they are right and you are wrong. This is why when you talk about different political opinions or religion or relationships these people get so angry and lash out. Look at all the crazy liberals in the news today a good example there. Dare say Trump is doing a good job and watch out. I have said this and being a man of color it shocks people but if I also add President Obama's presidency was a failure. I'm called an uncle tom, I'm ashamed of my race and so forth. The thing people forget is it not color or gender what determines a good president. It's what they do not what they are.
 

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Look at all the crazy liberals in the news today a good example there. Dare say Trump is doing a good job and watch out. I have said this and being a man of color it shocks people but if I also add President Obama's presidency was a failure. I'm called an uncle tom, I'm ashamed of my race and so forth. The thing people forget is it not color or gender what determines a good president. It's what they do not what they are.
Hey man my family reacts the exact same way. I can totally relate bro. As a black guy you are expected to think a certain way. You are expected to believe that Obama is a demi god. Trump is the devil. When you try to explain to them an alternative view that is slightly more balanced their cognitive dissonance kicks in and they totally become threatened. Its fascinating how brainwashed they are right?
 

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I am starting to believe that being genuine to himself determines the worth of a man. Living up to other peoples expectations for your life is the quickest way to become unhappy. In the last two years I stoped trying to live up to the expectations for me set by my community. I spent 30 years living to please others. I was miserable. Depressed. Used women to anesthetise myself. I was on a career path I hated. I sucked at it and I dreaded it. I only did it because it was expected of me. I lived in a certain neighborhood because it was expected on me. If I didn't do it I would be shamed out of my culture. Shame is a mofo.

I couple years ago I decided to quit. I had to be true to myself. I had to start all over financially, career wise etc. I was ostracized from my family and my community. But I am finally starting to become truly at peace. I went back and picked up all the stuff I didn't do when I was younger ( better late than never right). I began training in a martial art. Hey BibleBelt you partially inspired me to start training after I found out you did MMA and posted videos. Thanks for that. I also got serious with the guitar. I always wanted to get good with that. I am looking to pick up another hobby now...maybe stand up idk.

It is not just a cliche guys! You become a lot happier as a person once you become genuine to yourself. Forget the money. I am poor now. But its okay because I have time to actually do my hobbies. I am not at work or school 24/7. The money will come. Hopefully lol.

Being true to yourself means knowing your strengths and weakness. Pursuing only things that you are passionate about whether they are lucrative or not. Pursuing your God given talents. When you are genuine to yourself, you can be poor and still be proud of the man you see in the mirror.

Great post Pandora.
 

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^"To thine own self be true."
 
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