Does anyone here use Mike Mentzers Heavyduty Routine

[elite7]

I have to say after reading the four hour work week it has to be the best for gaining muscle in the shortest amount of time

 

[DanZy]

Not sure if srs or just baiting goundra

 

[goundra]

if he's actually read the book, he's quite serious.

 

[foreverAFC]

i use a lot of the principles that mike mentzer promoted with HIT. it does work, and in fact you are beginning to see more and more people in fitness promoting HIT under different names and whatnot cause its effective, a lot of bang for your buck.

there is some confusion about HIT though, people think its about doing one set, which it really isnt. its more about getting more effective workouts, slower reps and less sets, putting emphasis on contracting muscles efficiently over the amount of weight being lifed, going to complete failure, lots of recovery time and the concept of intensity are some of the principles of HIT that you can incorporate into your workouts.

i posted an instructional of his i found where he coaches a young body builder through some workouts, its pretty cool to watch'

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=197817

 

[elite7]

thanks forever the workout he came up with were started by author jones and have been used by him dorian yates,sergio and others i take it you dont like it goundra?

 

[DanZy]

No goundra has no fitness knowledge other than the 4 hour body. On paper it looks good but in the real world this routine is ineffective for the natural lifter. Dorian Yates started out with 5x5 and similar routines. You have to remember that Mentzer and his brother (who trained with him) both died in their 40's due to heart problems probably aggravated by a heavy use of anabolics.

Intensity is very important when it comes to lifting but it's not the only factor. Slow lifting is ineffective, it doesn't actually work the muscles in the way people claim.

 

[foreverAFC]

No goundra has no fitness knowledge other than the 4 hour body. On paper it looks good but in the real world this routine is ineffective for the natural lifter. Dorian Yates started out with 5x5 and similar routines. You have to remember that Mentzer and his brother (who trained with him) both died in their 40's due to heart problems probably aggravated by a heavy use of anabolics.

Intensity is very important when it comes to lifting but it's not the only factor. Slow lifting is ineffective, it doesn't actually work the muscles in the way people claim.

you are only 18, how much experience do you have?

 

[DanZy]

I've been lifting for 3 years and read a **** ton of stuff the likes of Martin Berkhan, Lyle McDonald, Brad Pilon, Alan Aragon and Layne Norton. Age has nothing to do with it

 

[switch]

as a noob i've found out that speed lifting does more for me as compared to slow reps...just my opinion

 

[foreverAFC]

I've been lifting for 3 years and read a **** ton of stuff the likes of Martin Berkhan, Lyle McDonald, Brad Pilon, Alan Aragon and Layne Norton. Age has nothing to do with it

sorry but you lack experience, regardless of what you have read or what your age is. you havent been doing this for enough time to really experiment with different strategies and routines over the years. there are tons of different ways to workout and many of them work well, and you can mix different philosophies and techniques from different sources to make your own workouts. mike mentzers information has its place and has worked well for many people for many years. all of a sudden its all invalid cause someone with 3 years of experience said so?

 

[DanZy]

sorry but you lack experience, regardless of what you have read or what your age is. you havent been doing this for enough time to really experiment with different strategies and routines over the years. there are tons of different ways to workout and many of them work well, and you can mix different philosophies and techniques from different sources to make your own workouts. mike mentzers information has its place and has worked well for many people for many years. all of a sudden its all invalid cause someone with 3 years of experience said so?

You haven't understood my point at all. Intensity is a highly important component of hypertrophy and Mentzer is correct in that thus this knowledge should be incorporated into your workouts, however the rest of it isn't. I'm all for mixing the best together to get the best results. It's not all invalid, though much of it was proven to be years ago, the focus on intensity is good.

It hasn't worked well for many people other than those on anabolics and a few outliers. There's another guy who worked with him, John Little or something, and wrote a book (Body by Science) and the few photos of people who have used the program are old men with unimpressive physiques. I'm just going on what I've read (the science behind it) and seen.