"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Do you think that you have to start off with uglier chicks or can you skip right to the hotties?

ImTheDoubleGreatest!

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Now Gambino's thread got me thinking, do you have to start with 6s and 7s or can you go straight to the 8s and 9s in this game? This isn't to knock him or anything at all, in fact I give him many props. But he doesn't seem to be banging any 8s or 9s. The one girl he thought was a 9 only tried coming up to him after she saw him with other girls, who were less hot but still there nonetheless. Now uglier girls are gonna be more willing to see you and you can leverage that as social proof and work your way up. But in your opinion, do you think that you can you skip the climb and just go straight to the top-notch hotties or no?
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Alvafe

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there is a saying telling, "to get XP you need to slay some dragons" or other then say "I never slept with a ugly woman, but I awake up with several".

you can also consider this woman always talk so if you sack well in bed the hotter ones will be interested, but serious you should worry more about if you want to get her or not, remember some 7,8 is not the same to everyone
 

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I go after what I'm attracted to whether she's a 6 7 8 or 9. No reason to do anything other than that imo. She could be a 6 in the face with a 9 body that'd I like to bang.
 

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I go after what I'm attracted to whether she's a 6 7 8 or 9. No reason to do anything other than that imo. She could be a 6 in the face with a 9 body that'd I like to bang.
I agree with this. And I would say for a guy with the right levels of confidence, he should initially go straight after what he is attracted to. For a guy lacking confidence, however, starting out lower than what he is attracted to is a good confidence builder to get him to where he wants to be.
 

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The more skills I have the hotter and better women I get. I used to only get HB6-7's. Then I started getting a few HB8's and a HB9 here and there but they usually had multiple red flags. Most weren't good for long term. Now days I have no problem getting HB8's with good jobs and a good head on their shoulder, but there aren't very many out there. So for me, yep I had to go play in the streets before I got enough skills to get what I wanted. The good thing was, I learned something from every single one of them not matter how dysfunctional they were.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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