"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Do you think it's bad to use other women to be around you to be preselected from the view of a woman who you're trying to get?

This takes me back in the high school days where girls would intentionally would talk to other guys to make you feel jealous, and they made it blatantly obvious. I don't want to stoop my level down to that extent.

I guess it wouldn't matter if you're trying to attract a complete stranger, but it would seem stupid to use it against a women you're trying to reclaim?

Another question that's off topic. I'm starting to read the SoSuave articles and I came across this one.

http://www.sosuave.com/articles/jv/make-women-approach-you.htm?forum

What does it mean to "rock your shoulders from side to side?" I've been doing the first three steps, but I can't seem to get woman to approach me. When it comes to style, should I wear something out the ordinary or something?
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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in war and getting laid there is no right or wrong... no good or bad. anything it takes to complete your objective.
 

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Tiguere said:
in war and getting laid there is no right or wrong... no good or bad. anything it takes to complete your objective.

If that was the case, then I would be raping these women left to right.

Then again, the two of the top 5 sexual fantasy women have is rape and sex with a complete stranger according to askmen.com, but I don't want to risk it.
 

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im referring to seduction..manipulation...deception..Exploit .etc etc etc
 

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SeymourCake said:
Do you think it's bad to use other women to be around you to be preselected from the view of a woman who you're trying to get?
Depends: if you have female friends that are on your side, it makes it a lot easier. I always like being surrounded by girls, even if they're just friends. If they think you're a cool guy, they'll definitely help you out and try to set you up.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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