"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Do you think it's bad to use women...?

SeymourCake

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Do you think it's bad to use other women to be around you to be preselected from the view of a woman who you're trying to get?

This takes me back in the high school days where girls would intentionally would talk to other guys to make you feel jealous, and they made it blatantly obvious. I don't want to stoop my level down to that extent.

I guess it wouldn't matter if you're trying to attract a complete stranger, but it would seem stupid to use it against a women you're trying to reclaim?

Another question that's off topic. I'm starting to read the SoSuave articles and I came across this one.

http://www.sosuave.com/articles/jv/make-women-approach-you.htm?forum

What does it mean to "rock your shoulders from side to side?" I've been doing the first three steps, but I can't seem to get woman to approach me. When it comes to style, should I wear something out the ordinary or something?
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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in war and getting laid there is no right or wrong... no good or bad. anything it takes to complete your objective.
 

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Tiguere said:
in war and getting laid there is no right or wrong... no good or bad. anything it takes to complete your objective.

If that was the case, then I would be raping these women left to right.

Then again, the two of the top 5 sexual fantasy women have is rape and sex with a complete stranger according to askmen.com, but I don't want to risk it.
 

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im referring to seduction..manipulation...deception..Exploit .etc etc etc
 

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SeymourCake said:
Do you think it's bad to use other women to be around you to be preselected from the view of a woman who you're trying to get?
Depends: if you have female friends that are on your side, it makes it a lot easier. I always like being surrounded by girls, even if they're just friends. If they think you're a cool guy, they'll definitely help you out and try to set you up.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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