Do you think going to a school with a very high female-to-male ratio is a good move for an incel-tier man?

[MatureDJ]

I was reading this, and it got me thinking:

Why Men Are the New Minority on College Campuses

Males are enrolling in higher education at alarmingly low rates, and some colleges are working hard to reverse the trend.

www.theatlantic.com

Women outnumber men by more than six to one here at Carlow University ...

 

[SW15]

An incel tier men has to work on social skills primarily. Recall that Eliot Rodger attended University of California-Santa Barbara (UCSB). UCSB is jokingly referred to as the University of Casual Sex and Beer. Despite the party atmosphere at UCSB, Eliot Rodger did not get laid there. UCSB is currently 55% female, 45% male. Eliot Rodger's social skills were so poor that he wasn't going to get laid if UCSB was 90% female.

Someone with mediocre to slightly subpar social skills could benefit from attending a college that was something like 65-70% female. It would be easier to get laid at a school with a 65% female population than one that is 55% female, like UCSB.

When a school gets too female, there's often a significant lesbian population. Sarah Lawrence College is the most well known example of this in the United States. I'm not familiar with Carlow University, the school mentioned in the article. The current undergrad population there is roughly 1,400, making it the size of a fairly typical high school.

I've met very few men who went to primarily women's college (70%+ women). I don't know if any of them were superb with women.

 

[Who Dares Win]

Female only environments and female majority environments stop giving advantages to men the same moment smartphones and wi-fi became widespread.

 

[SW15]

Female only environments and female majority environments stop giving advantages to men the same moment smartphones and wi-fi became widespread.

Not just this. The women going to these majority female colleges know that if they leave campus, single men outnumber single women at the bars in their city.

 

[skinnyguy]

An incel tier men has to work on social skills primarily. Recall that Eliot Rodger attended University of California-Santa Barbara (UCSB). UCSB is jokingly referred to as the University of Casual Sex and Beer. Despite the party atmosphere at UCSB, Eliot Rodger did not get laid there. UCSB is currently 55% female, 45% male. Eliot Rodger's social skills were so poor that he wasn't going to get laid if UCSB was 90% female.

Someone with mediocre to slightly subpar social skills could benefit from attending a college that was something like 65-70% female. It would be easier to get laid at a school with a 65% female population than one that is 55% female, like UCSB.

When a school gets too female, there's often a significant lesbian population. Sarah Lawrence College is the most well known example of this in the United States. I'm not familiar with Carlow University, the school mentioned in the article. The current undergrad population there is roughly 1,400, making it the size of a fairly typical high school.

I've met very few men who went to primarily women's college (70%+ women). I don't know if any of them were superb with women.

You have to be even more Chad to get laid at a party school with lots of women. Those women have been dealing with Chads their entire life and don't settle. Incels really stand out there and not in a good way.

Gender ratios don't matter. When the females outnumber the males, the women don't suddenly become desperate.

You're right about the lesbians. Wellesley has tons of lesbians.

 

[Mike32ct]

In some ways, a high female to male ratio can be worse. She will be fiercely guarding her reputation with the many other women.

Hooking up with an incel will be horrible for her status and subject her to endless negative gossip.

While there are no ideal environments for a sub-Chadlite, counterintuitively, they have a slightly better chance when there aren’t TOO many females.

If there are too many women around, if he meets that rare female with unusual taste, she will still reject him because she’s too worried about what her friends would think. But if she’s alone or not around many other women, he might have a chance.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Women just amplify what you already are. If you are incel tier, you will be friend zoned relentlessly to the point where even if you go to the clubs and get ioi's you wont believe it. It wont register in your awareness radius because you have zero reference experience.

For guys who suck - go out to the field and develop a social skills.

For guys who are great - develop hobbies with women in it and reap the benefits of being handsome.

It's as simple as that.

The guys who pull the most in the clubs are those dudes with 10,000 rejections under their belt to the point where they are desensitized. They get rejected 20 times in a row and then end up with the hottest chick (the 21st approach) and all the non active handsome guys are shaking their heads like wtf is going on?

You gotta play with the tools the Gods gave you.

Oh really. All women amplify you? Some arent there to drain you?

What an awesome world if all women amplified us men.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

You took me out of context. What I meant is if u are an incel surrounding urself with women will amplify your inceldom.

Thats a good example.
If you are an incel you have a low rate of success with women. But if you find that 1 out of 100 women who like you she will lift you out of inceldom.

 

[devilkingx2]

Less competition is always going to benefit you, but if you aren't worth picking over nothing you're still screwed.

You need to find a place where women who want or are open to a man go, that is female dominated. It's not going to help any guy if he goes to a place full of women who neither need nor want a man. So it has to be a party school or something basically.

 

[SW15]

You have to be even more Chad to get laid at a party school with lots of women. Those women have been dealing with Chads their entire life and don't settle. Incels really stand out there and not in a good way.

Gender ratios don't matter. When the females outnumber the males, the women don't suddenly become desperate.

So it has to be a party school or something basically.

I attended a large public university in a Sun Belt state for undergrad in the early to mid-2000s. This school has been known to have a reputation for partying. However, its main rival school in athletics within the same state has an even bigger reputation for partying. I’ll describe the mating environment there at that time in the paragraphs below.

In 2018-19, according to National Center for Education Statistics, the sex ratio at this school was 48% male and 52% female. Going back to my era and knowing that schools have trended more female over time, I’ll say that the school was likely still around 50-50 or no worse than 52% male, 48% female. No one ever complained at that time that the school was a sausage fest.

According to the school’s newspaper, in 2018-19, 17% of undergrads at this school participate in fraternities or sororities. At the time I was attending, I recall this number being 12-15%. The school’s main athletic rival in the same state has a 9% undergrad participation rate in fraternities or sororities. That statistic was probably around 6-7% in my era. It was a common sentiment in my time that the party scene was better at the same state rival school because it was less pretentious due to the less prominent role that Greek Life played there.

The ~15% of undergrads in Greek Life had an outsized influence on the party scene and the attractive woman scene. Assume for a minute that 15% of men and 15% of women were Greek participants. While 15% of women may have been in sororities, that 15% of all women represented maybe 40%-50% of total attractive women. To seduce the sorority women, being in a fraternity certainly helped. If a non-fraternity guy wanted access to a sorority woman, he would have to find her in classes, extracurricular student clubs, or randomly cold approach on her campus, including at the campus gym. In those days at the gym, the plague of earbuds had yet to fully permeate the female gym going populace. It was the early days of the iPod, and maybe 15% of all female gym goers were wearing personal music devices, but that was 85% of all hot women, and there was great overlap with the sorority population. It was an uphill battle to get sorority vag if not a frat brother. Even a good day gamer would be facing that, and most guys who get into daygame usually get into it post college.

The silver lining in all of this is that almost none of the romantic relationships formed amongst undergrads in college actually amounts to anything. If you look at statistics, college romances usually end by one’s mid-20s. That’s typically no more than 4 years post college graduation. If I look at the sample of hot women I knew from my undergrad years, almost none of them ended up either marrying or having a baby with their college boyfriends. Most of those relationships were done by the time the woman was 26, assuming she graduated at 22-23.

To get laid at my alma mater, despite a party conducive environment, you do have to be an Alpha or Sigma male. Beta males are essentially invisible. I’ve never claimed to be an Alpha. I perceive due to my more introverted nature that I am a more Sigma male.

When females outnumber males at a college, they don’t get desperate. They’ll just look outside the university for sexual options. If the college is in a reasonably large city (150,000+), they’ll have options.

 

[corrector]

With allot of women it may be good socially so long as you dont get distracted and allow them to cloud your judgment concerning what courses to take. But as others have posted most have lives outside the university. Talking to women and making connections is better incel tier than talking to no one, maybe even better than an escortcel tier incel loner. Which reminds me, some of these students sell their bodies for tuition. I mean if you are that desperate...

 

[Mike32ct]

Talking to women and making connections is better incel tier than talking to no one, maybe even better than an escortcel tier incel loner.

Exactly. I've been harping on that for a while.

Friendzone (while not ideal) is at least one step above creep-zone. The friendzone guy will at least get some practice talking to (and being comfortable around) women potentially beyond his league.

The important part is that he KNOWS which are chicks he’s friend zoned by and which aren’t so he doesn’t have any false hopes/delusions.

 

[SW15]

Friendzone (while not ideal) is at least one step above creep-zone. The friendzone guy will at least get some practice talking to (and being comfortable around) women potentially beyond his league.

I would allocate that friend zone time with women to lifting weights and/or playing sports. That's going to be a better use of time. Big muscles = less need of a personality in order to get the bang.

 

[AttackFormation]

I would allocate that friend zone time with women to lifting weights and/or playing sports. That's going to be a better use of time. Big muscles = less need of a personality in order to get the bang.

The better your looks are the better your personality will be anyway too, from both the halo effect and that her acceptance of you will give you the confidence to express yourself.

 

[corrector]

I would allocate that friend zone time with women to lifting weights and/or playing sports. That's going to be a better use of time. Big muscles = less need of a personality in order to get the bang.

I think the concept of a positive friendzone is just to talk to women, but not get too personal, just keep it at arms-length. Have a working rapport with a few different women that you know on a first name basis. The idea is you are used to talking with women and it would feel more natural to cold approach.

 

[SW15]

I think the concept of a positive friendzone is just to talk to women, but not get too personal, just keep it at arms-length. Have a working rapport with a few different women that you know on a first name basis. The idea is you are used to talking with women and it would feel more natural to cold approach.

Most guys don't need to talk to women. A guy can talk to his sister or a female cousin if he actually needs that. Maybe he could talk to his mom's friends. He could go to see a female psychotherapist. All those options are better than friend zone with a similarly aged attractive woman.

As mentioned earlier in the thread, UCSB is 55% female, 45% male and there were incels there (Eliot Rodger). I also shared experience on what it was like to date at my alma mater. Favorable ratios in schools are better than unfavorable ratios, but no guarantee of success. Even at infamous party schools and/or favorable ratio schools, you don't get laid just by showing up. You've got to put in a decent amount of effort.

 

[nicksaiz65]

I would allocate that friend zone time with women to lifting weights and/or playing sports. That's going to be a better use of time. Big muscles = less need of a personality in order to get the bang.

Most guys don't need to talk to women. A guy can talk to his sister or a female cousin if he actually needs that. Maybe he could talk to his mom's friends. He could go to see a female psychotherapist. All those options are better than friend zone with a similarly aged attractive woman.

As mentioned earlier in the thread, UCSB is 55% female, 45% male and there were incels there (Eliot Rodger). I also shared experience on what it was like to date at my alma mater. Favorable ratios in schools are better than unfavorable ratios, but no guarantee of success. Even at infamous party schools and/or favorable ratio schools, you don't get laid just by showing up. You've got to put in a decent amount of effort.

"Big muscles = less need of a personality in order to get the bang"
"You don't get laid just by showing up. You've got to put in a decent amount of effort."

Very good knowledge right here.

 

[TheGambino]

You go to a school to get good education not for women.

 

[Xenom0rph]

If this were back in the 90s or even early 2000s (before Instagram) it might have made a difference. But in today's social media-dominated world, I don't think it matters. People can easily connect with people outside their immediate environment and circle.

 

[corrector]

Most guys don't need to talk to women. A guy can talk to his sister or a female cousin if he actually needs that. Maybe he could talk to his mom's friends. He could go to see a female psychotherapist. All those options are better than friend zone with a similarly aged attractive woman.

As mentioned earlier in the thread, UCSB is 55% female, 45% male and there were incels there (Eliot Rodger). I also shared experience on what it was like to date at my alma mater. Favorable ratios in schools are better than unfavorable ratios, but no guarantee of success. Even at infamous party schools and/or favorable ratio schools, you don't get laid just by showing up. You've got to put in a decent amount of effort.

Not everyone has female cousins or sisters or can afford a female therapist. Also the idea of paying to talk to a women, even a pysotherapist is absurd.