"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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do you pay on date?

jardine

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on a first date, do you pay or suggest a 50/50 split? And if you go to pay and she offers to split, do you say youve got it or just go along with it? This is not refering to her insisting, but just a casual offer of splitting the bill. And does her reaction have anything to do with interest level?
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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sfalexi

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I offer to pay. If she wants to split it (and it's going well), I say, "I'll tell you what. This ones on me, the next one'll be on you." Therefor insuring a second date. And when you call her up, remind her that this one's on her, and immediately afterward suggest that you go to a fancy restaurant that you know (name one near you that she'll KNOW is pricey). Should get a laugh and a 'no way' out of her.

Alexi
 

Francisco d'Anconia

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Why go someplace where this would be a concern. It's a first date. You're not in a relationship with this woman, hell you don't even know if there's going to be a second date.

If you feel you MUST pay, just go someplace to have coffee. Before anybody starts flaming, consider this; why go someplace elaborate? She is supposed to be impressed with YOU, not where you go or what you buy.

Unless you have low interpersonal skills or don't mind hooking up with a woman who's more into where you take her, don't try to impress her with just the venue. Yes, ambiance does make a difference, but you don't have to break the bank for it, especially for someone you just met.
 

Abbott

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Do this:
A) Do the split.
B) Go somewhere cheap.

That's what I would do. But then again, I'm cheap when it comes to spending money on others (except when I have a son, but I don't yet so....).

At the very least, do task B.

Ben
 

anonuser78

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you pay unless she absolutely insists, if it is a 'real' date, she shouldn't have a problem. If she really wants to pay, tell her she can pay the tip. that way u don't look like a cheapass
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

Read more...

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