"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Do I next her right away ?

Wiesman44

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This chick hit on me at a party last Saturday. We exchanged #'s. I call her up on Wednesday, and before I can really say anything she wants to meet for coffee today. I said i'd call her and we'll specify a time then between 4-6 b/c I was golfing and didnt know how long my round would take.


I call her at 330 and 5. No answer. My gut feeling is to next this chick no matter what her excuse is. There's no excuse for not even calling me quickly to tell me she couldnt make it.

I didnt even do any effort to get this girl. She wanted to meet me......wtf ? next her ?
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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themanwithnoname

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indeed she may have wanted to meet with you, but you did not tell her when you wanted to meet, is it so hard to tell someone to meet at 8p?
 

Wiesman44

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did u not read what I said. We were meeting for coffee. A quick hour or so. I told her i'd call no later than 4 and we'd probably meet around 5 or so. This was her idea to meet. Why she'd flake, i have no idea.
 

Wiesman44

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Oh she's definitely interested. She was the one that hit on me, she gave me her #, she basically set up the date. But I'm thinking that someone who cant even follow up on a first date, should not be worthy of a re-scheduled date when they dont even have the nerve to cancel.

SO my question is basically, do I next a girl that does this ? I'm quite positive she's going to say, I'm sorry, blah blah blah.......but i dont want to give in.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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She's got your number.. She'll call back.
 

Wiesman44

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all I have to say is "OOPS" .

Last night after I posted, I hung out w/ one of her friends. Ended up nailing the sh#t out of her. After we're done, at about 11:00, the chick i was supposed to meet earlier texts me and says she was sorry she couldnt make it, and the hungover, tired excuse, she went to a hotel party last night so it might have been genuine. I didnt care either way.

So here I, w/ one of her friends......all i was thinking was, well, she shouldnt have flaked......that'll teach her. Word will spread and she probably wont want to hang out again.


Not to brag, but I have a lot of girls after me, I'm a real good looking guy. My game might not be up to par, though. I'll definitely admit that. I just wanted to know if you guys would next a chick right away that flakes and doesnt call u to tell u she cant make it til like 8 hours after our date.

As a guy that dates a good amount of women, I think thats unacceptable,and wanted to know if u all feel the same.


Obviously, you all would give her a second chance. I dont do that. She could have called me. If she was the least bit respectful, she would have called before our meeting.
 
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