"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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do girls like drama?

garruk

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do girls like drama with their boyfrineds? boviosuly if you asked one, they would say no, but do you think they like that whole rollercoaster thing in the long run?


jw. would love to hear personal stories on htis.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Of course they do! Girls love drama. They thrive off of drama.

Now, the word "drama" is tricky. Girls like to FEEL. They like to feel a whole range of emotions. That's what a lot of learning to attract girls is all about. The push/pulls, the C&F, the kino, etc. It's about making them feel different things. They like this, so if you do that, they'll like you.

That's why nice guys and AFCs bore women. They don't make them FEEL anything out of the ordinary. That's why girls fall for @ssholes. They'd rather feel those negative feelings than feel the nothingness that the wussyboy has to offer.

That's why girls watch Lifetime and read romance novels and all that crap. The drama.
 

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yep it like a high for them
 

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Sh*t most of em do that's for sure!

My last GF wasen't that way though, she was a really cool chick and the only ex I actually still get along with after we broke up.

Now I had some other plates going after her, the last one was a real dramaqueen. First she wants me and I'm really into this girl, but she's going really fast. Calling me "baby" and telling me how much she likes me.
Now this kinda scared me cause it was going to fast, but I didn't wanna lose this girl so I thought "best thing to do is act the same way" that way she won't get spooked. Epic fail...

The moment I started acting like she did, she started backing off. I finally ask her what's up and she tells me: 'You're going to fast'. I was like: 'WTF, I'm just acting the way you did girl. You were going to fast for me but I didn't wanna scare you'. We kinda made up but it just wasen't the same.

So a week passes, I'm in her bed, she's acting non receptive so I point it out that it's just not working out. She agrees. I tell her we shouldn't hook up again, she agrees again. Then she starts asking me personal questions like why I'm so cold.

I dunno why I did it but some how I told her a really personal story about me and my brother and she knew it was for real. Next thing I know she starts kissing me again and sitting on top of me :rolleyes:. Few days later, she was non receptive again :D.

Anyhow, I broke it off for real after that. I still like her considering she's really nice, very VERY good looking girl but I just can't keep up with the drama this girl needs. To bad though, if she wasen't such a dramaqueen she would've been nice to have as a gf.

Ow well, Next :)
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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They also tend to make alot of jealous drama if they know you spin other plates... I openly admitted to one I was seeing other girls (she was the first to ask me so, the others never asked). Now she only wants to be friends, but constantly texts me. Most of the conversations ends about me being an @sshole for screwing other girls. While, when I was dating her, she didn't want to date only me, she didn't tell me that but I knew that was the truth...

Some b!tches sure are hypocrites :rolleyes:. I dunno why I keep up with sh.t like that too, guess in a way I can be a nice guy :D never thought that would happen
 

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i think mostly young girls do this. the girl i'm with doesn't do any drama or plays games. she's straight up. like i will call, arrange something, she'll say yes or no and that's that. then we get together and it's all good. i don't like girls who play games, i usually just drop them or use them for sex. waste of time.
 

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I remember one time I was walking my date back to the hotel and I asked her "Are you a drama queen?"

She screamed at me, stormed back to the hotel, said "if you touch me again I'll call the police", and then had sex with me.

I took that as a "yes".
 

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Yes.
If they didn't then there's no explanation for soap operas and sex n the city being on the air as long as they have.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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i mean its obviosu that they like to WATCH drama. but what about acutally being in it.

ARocket answered my question pretty well when he mentioned that they like to "feel".

should you start some drama with a girl just for drama's sake?
 

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Credos said:
So a week passes, I'm in her bed, she's acting non receptive so I point it out that it's just not working out.
Same exact **** is going on w/ my girl right now and I think it's way too late to fix. This same scenario happened to me a couple days ago and I did the stupid AFC move of asking "WTF?" instead of just saying it wasnt working out.

I'm going over to her house tonight and if it's the same **** I will just man up and say it's not working out. I was just planning on using her for sex / trying to get some other girls (girls think your more attractive while taken, especially by a hot girl) but if sex won't even happen, what's the point?
 

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garruk said:
i mean its obviosu that they like to WATCH drama. but what about acutally being in it.

ARocket answered my question pretty well when he mentioned that they like to "feel".

should you start some drama with a girl just for drama's sake?
I don't think "like" as in enjoy drama in their lives is necessarily the correct term. Girls enjoy gossip and secrets. It's essentially currency in their cliques most of the time. It gives then status advantage over other girls especially when they're at a physical disadvantage fron their counterparts. In order for that world to exist, there must be some form and level of drama around them almost constantly. So they vicariously like it despite the b*tching that accompanies it.

And don't worry about "starting drama" with a girl. Just by being around her or her friends or her friends friends or some one she heard about but doesn't know, your involvement has already begun.
 

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"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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girls yes, women no? i don't think every female likes drama on purpose.
 
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