"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Do flakes ever come back?

t510

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Does anyone have experience where a girl flakes after a couple dates then you disappear and she comes back?
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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El Payaso

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This is funny because I just got a text from an old flake.
 

t510

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no way what did she say.. how long since you last talked to her
 

SmooveMooves

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Yes, flakes usually do return, but its usually because something else had fallen through and they view you as a safety net.

In my experience, flakes reappear 75% of the time.

The real question is: When & when not to give a flake another chance?
 

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They comes back especially if they find you a challenge since you had no interest pursuing them compare to the treatment they get from AFC's.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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El Payaso

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t510 said:
no way what did she say.. how long since you last talked to her
Well, she flaked on me big time. Day of our date, she ignored my texts and calls. So i just sent her a text saying I don't like my time being wasted and I could have been out with someone else now. That was a week ago and I had since deleted her number. She started texting me last night but I ignored them. This morning, I woke up to two missed calls and two more texts from her.

Her: So do you hate me? I know I'm really awful at keeping up with my phone but I really do like you a lot, El Payaso. You amaze me.

Her: I'll be in you area all day tomorrow.

I still haven't replied and don't know if I want to.
 

Maximummax

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SmooveMooves said:
Yes, flakes usually do return, but its usually because something else had fallen through and they view you as a safety net.

In my experience, flakes reappear 75% of the time.

The real question is: When & when not to give a flake another chance?
good
point
 

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El Payaso said:
Well, she flaked on me big time. Day of our date, she ignored my texts and calls. So i just sent her a text saying I don't like my time being wasted and I could have been out with someone else now. That was a week ago and I had since deleted her number. She started texting me last night but I ignored them. This morning, I woke up to two missed calls and two more texts from her.

Her: So do you hate me? I know I'm really awful at keeping up with my phone but I really do like you a lot, El Payaso. You amaze me.

Her: I'll be in you area all day tomorrow.

I still haven't replied and don't know if I want to.
stay strong and resist, if you respond, her hamster will celebrate with champagne
 

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If a woman flakes on you, you have failed.

If a flake comes back, it's because the guy she flaked on you for didn't work out. I don't give flakes a second chance. One flake and the girl is out. Women make time for men they're interested in. I don't go back to flakes because they just end up wanting to be friends. We all know how that works out!

Would she flake on Channing Tatum? Hell no. She'd swim across the Chattahoochee River for that!

Case closed.
 

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So ummmm, you guys were right. I should have read this thread before picking up her call today. I didn't know I would get responses to my post. She called me again this afternoon and I picked up. She said she was in my area and wanted to see me at 7pm. I said yes.

7pm. No call, no show. Got a call from her a few minutes around 9pm saying she's really sorry but she got in an accident so she couldn't make it. I just said okay and dropped the phone.

Lmfao. Wow. The tales some women spin indeed. Well, I've learned my lesson and like nismo said, one flake and the girl is out. I tried the supplicating and understanding route but that obviously doesn't work. Women take your patience for stupidity.

Whatever. I don't even care because I have a more interesting girl that I went on a date with two nights ago. What is funny is that the flaky girl was calling and texting me WHILE I WAS ON THE DATE WITH THIS GIRL. It was mildly entertaining to say the least.

Anyway, I went bowling with her and then we had dinner at a nice restaurant. Heavy kino all the time. She was very receptive to me and the date was very good overall. I dropped her home and she gave me a kiss on the cheek. 1 minute after I left, I got a text from her.

Her: I almost kissed you on your lips but I didn't know how you would take it. Goodnight, El Payaso.

Me: Come outside.

Her: Lol...what?

Me: Come outside in 5 minutes.

Her: We can do it some other time...I'm already in my PJs.

Me: Do what?

Her: The kissing.

Me: Not that silly. There was something you forgot in my car. I wanted to give it back to you. (This was a total lie. The only thing she forgot in my car was a makeout session).

Her: What is it?

Me: I think it's a card. I'm not sure. (Total lie again).

She came out and I grabbed her and kissed her. We made out for like a good 5 minutes or so then she asked me to come inside since it's kind of cold. I knew what that meant but I had to turn her down because I was extremely tired and had work in the morning. We said our goodbyes and I left.

Within like a minute of leaving her house again, I got a text from her.

Her: I like you! You're very charming.


Don't worry, guys. She's a definite bang for sure and her IL is through the roof.

She just texted me tonight and was like "I had a wonderful time with you last night. We need to see each other again and this time longer!"

Here are pics of our convo. I cut out some parts because of sensitive information:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21187880/picsay-1394938343.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21187880/picsay-1394938485.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21187880/picsay-1394938603.jpg

Thanks for the lesson, guys. El Payaso is never giving a flaky girl a second shot ever again.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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