"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Difficulties closing

Matt Rogers

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Hi guys,
I am having problems closing when it comes to asking for numbers. I usually meet girls at sports clubs and societies. Bear in mind I am British where we do not have such a dating culture.

When I ask for phone numbers I generally get asked "Why?" and stumble to give a good comeback-usually saying something lame like "Well, I would like to take you out for a drink sometime"

Another approach which I use is to say something like
"I have a spare ticket for a concert/play and would like you to come with me?" This usually works but hell, I don't want to shell out for two tickets everytime I want a date!

Another one which works for me is finding a shared sport such as tennis or squash and suggesting we have a game. But unfortunately this gets me into friendzone too quickly.

Does anyone have any good ideas how I can close smoothly and confidently while solidly communicating my romantic interest. Any prepared lines would be good as it is hard enough asking a girl out without having to think of the right words on the spot.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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Grey Fox

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Instead of straight up asking for the number say something like you'd like to get together sometime and you would like her number. But you phrase it like this: Hey let's hang out sometime and catch a pint or too. Just keep going you'll get the hang of it.

-Grey Fox
 

Dukester

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Originally posted by Grey Fox
Instead of straight up asking for the number say something like you'd like to get together sometime and you would like her number. But you phrase it like this: Hey let's hang out sometime and catch a pint or too. Just keep going you'll get the hang of it.

-Grey Fox
agreed, if you phrase it differently, you get a different reaction/answer.

best of luck
 

chicksrock

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check out boot camp week 4 for number close advice
 

Master Homer

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Originally posted by Grey Fox
Instead of straight up asking for the number say something like you'd like to get together sometime and you would like her number. But you phrase it like this: Hey let's hang out sometime and catch a pint or too. Just keep going you'll get the hang of it.

-Grey Fox
I agree alot with you. It might be a good idea to let her know WHY you wan't her number.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

Read more...

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