"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Different Methods for Different Situations

AlwaysExcel

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Maybe I've missed this discussion in the literature on this site, but it seems to me that the conflicting methods and advice is partially due to the gurus' different goals.

For example, some people advocate talking to a girl for hours when you first meet her to build rapport etc., while Doc Love says "have a short conversation, get the number, and leave." Doc Love has admitted that he isn't here to help guys get laid but to establish LTRs. Any girl who won't give you her number after 15 minutes of conversation isn't worth the hassle and a longer convo when you first meet decreases the mystery.

Doc Love's rules wouldn't apply to a ONS. With a ONS, even though you are spending most of the evening with a girl you just met, which is anti-challenge, you are being challenging in other ways like being C&F etc. And it seems that girls who wouldn't give you their numbers after 15 minutes of convo, may actually have a ONS if you raise their interest level and comfort level over the course of an evening.

It seems to me that if your goal is finding a LTR, then the longer you drag the seduction process out, the better. On the other end of the spectrum, if you're going for a ONS, then of course you need to pack your entire seduction all into one night. And of course, there is everyone in between who advocate dating but having sex early on in the dating process--a more short term outlook.

What are your thoughts on this seduction spectrum?
And do any of you have any rules of thumb or advice for deciding right off the bat which girls you want to try the ONS with, which ones are short term relationship material, and with which you should go for the LTRs? I'm thinking that this area is really up to how you feel or what type of impression you get from the girl. But relying soley on subjective feelings can get us into to trouble in this area so maybe ya'll have some input?

I definitely think that Doc Love tests are good for people you're already considering for a LTR but if you've had a ONS with them already, this could skew the entire process.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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I don't want any LTR at all right now so I only go for sex.... But girls are not different for me. If they are good looking enough they are fvckable and then they are a target. It's easy as that.

But the game depends ofcourse completely on situation, girl and yourself and your style/game. You need to CALIBRATE! I do this naturally, I'm ALWAYS myself but I always treat people after how they fit me...
 

Kineti[C]harm

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For most boys it is because if they aren't natural and they are trying stuff like sosuave/fastseduction or whatever it is not natural but more like a newbiechessgame, no feel, no flow and thus it's just a plain game...

But I agree it should not be viewed that way
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Originally posted by uniassign
It is NOT...a FVCKING...GAME!!!!

Why not?
Because aslong as it's just a game you analyze and think too much, when you MASTER a game it's no longer a game, it's a part of you. You ARE the game, it's NATURAL...
 
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