"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Different Methods for Different Situations

AlwaysExcel

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Maybe I've missed this discussion in the literature on this site, but it seems to me that the conflicting methods and advice is partially due to the gurus' different goals.

For example, some people advocate talking to a girl for hours when you first meet her to build rapport etc., while Doc Love says "have a short conversation, get the number, and leave." Doc Love has admitted that he isn't here to help guys get laid but to establish LTRs. Any girl who won't give you her number after 15 minutes of conversation isn't worth the hassle and a longer convo when you first meet decreases the mystery.

Doc Love's rules wouldn't apply to a ONS. With a ONS, even though you are spending most of the evening with a girl you just met, which is anti-challenge, you are being challenging in other ways like being C&F etc. And it seems that girls who wouldn't give you their numbers after 15 minutes of convo, may actually have a ONS if you raise their interest level and comfort level over the course of an evening.

It seems to me that if your goal is finding a LTR, then the longer you drag the seduction process out, the better. On the other end of the spectrum, if you're going for a ONS, then of course you need to pack your entire seduction all into one night. And of course, there is everyone in between who advocate dating but having sex early on in the dating process--a more short term outlook.

What are your thoughts on this seduction spectrum?
And do any of you have any rules of thumb or advice for deciding right off the bat which girls you want to try the ONS with, which ones are short term relationship material, and with which you should go for the LTRs? I'm thinking that this area is really up to how you feel or what type of impression you get from the girl. But relying soley on subjective feelings can get us into to trouble in this area so maybe ya'll have some input?

I definitely think that Doc Love tests are good for people you're already considering for a LTR but if you've had a ONS with them already, this could skew the entire process.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Kineti[C]harm

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I don't want any LTR at all right now so I only go for sex.... But girls are not different for me. If they are good looking enough they are fvckable and then they are a target. It's easy as that.

But the game depends ofcourse completely on situation, girl and yourself and your style/game. You need to CALIBRATE! I do this naturally, I'm ALWAYS myself but I always treat people after how they fit me...
 

Kineti[C]harm

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For most boys it is because if they aren't natural and they are trying stuff like sosuave/fastseduction or whatever it is not natural but more like a newbiechessgame, no feel, no flow and thus it's just a plain game...

But I agree it should not be viewed that way
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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Kineti[C]harm

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Originally posted by uniassign
It is NOT...a FVCKING...GAME!!!!

Why not?
Because aslong as it's just a game you analyze and think too much, when you MASTER a game it's no longer a game, it's a part of you. You ARE the game, it's NATURAL...
 
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