"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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did i come on too strong?

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ok i saw this chick on myspace does dance where i do karate.....there is a hip hop dancing class with ALL kinds of hot chicks, but the problem is after class they always seem to be in a rush....so i found one on myspace (i think she's hip hop) and it was also her b-day this weekend so in my reply i said "what are we gonna do"? well she answered on mon night, the night time when i get home from karate
she said she may go clubbin with her friends

ok things go ok, since there is a ballet class she jokingly asks if im in that, and i say "hell nah im too clumsy....and say no im in the hula class, ur welcome to stop by and see me shake my booty j/k" and i tell her she may know who i am but still don't admit im in the karate arate class after hip hop mondays.....and after i sent that i sent another message saying "hey wats ur email so i can add u to my buddy list"...

just out of curiousity and future reference, is that coming on too strong? since there are psycho's online i think that may have been after only the 2nd email...... next time i do this, (its just for practice, but ill admit she was like a hb 7 picture wise, in real life things are different) do u think i should wait b4 asking for email/number? i have moved on since she hasn't replied since tuesday but im just wondering...

i also tried to approach the bus driver i had (about hb 6, but i haven't seen her body since she's sitting in the chair, that and she seemed busy driving the bus) so i made only small talk.......

thanks for ur advice homies
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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OK I don't think you were being too forward. I think you were funny with hula bit but I don't think it's generally a good idea to make fun of yourself. You should've just said you were in the Karate class and you could've busted on her back when she teased you about being in ballet class.

Also, I read your other post and it also contained conversation where the HB mentioned she was going clubbing. Maybe you could take that and run with it, i.e., "Oh you like to go clubbing, where you going..I might want to check it out..maybe I'll run into you there, blah blah blah..


Anyway girls online tend to be flaky, so it's probably not anything you did.
 

xi phi pi

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Absolutely amazing. We've gone from people asking if they came on too strong in person to people asking if they came on too strong over the internet.

What's next?!
 
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lol thats the thing, im not a clubber so it wouldn't work out...also the reason im asking if i came on too strong is in case i do actually find a chick im intereted in on the internet s*hit wont' backfire...is it bad im asking this? oh well i needed advice
 

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good luck with the bus driver....
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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