Reyaj
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I can't see Oscar winning this one....
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Mayweather in an easy 12-round UD. This fight only appears to be 50/50 because of Oscar's immense gay male fanbase of Oscarsexuals, who will jerk off as he climbs into the ring and then climax as he disrobes.
Mayweather will be King just as he was King vs Gatti and Corrales, just as Hopkins was King vs Trinidad, just as Winky was King vs Trinidad, and Barrera was King vs Hamed.
Another example of a media darling facing a true champion and getting his ass kicked. If Mayweather loses, I'll poop on my own driver's seat, wear a 500$ suit and then sit on it while its still fresh and steamy.
Oscar is terrified of this fight - note his ridiculous and cowardly contract clauses: both have to wear HIS chosen brand of gloves (Reyes gloves are known as puncher's gloves, and are very dangerous for brittle hands like Mayweather's), smaller ring, forcing Mayweather to weight AT LEAST 152lbs (or whatever) instead of the traditional rules of wearing whatever gloves you want and weighing whatever you want as long as its under the limit.
How pathetic is that? His only chance of winning is to have Mayweather be unnaturally bulky and break his hands on Oscar's head. What a "Mexican warrior".
Mayweather will be King just as he was King vs Gatti and Corrales, just as Hopkins was King vs Trinidad, just as Winky was King vs Trinidad, and Barrera was King vs Hamed.
Another example of a media darling facing a true champion and getting his ass kicked. If Mayweather loses, I'll poop on my own driver's seat, wear a 500$ suit and then sit on it while its still fresh and steamy.
Oscar is terrified of this fight - note his ridiculous and cowardly contract clauses: both have to wear HIS chosen brand of gloves (Reyes gloves are known as puncher's gloves, and are very dangerous for brittle hands like Mayweather's), smaller ring, forcing Mayweather to weight AT LEAST 152lbs (or whatever) instead of the traditional rules of wearing whatever gloves you want and weighing whatever you want as long as its under the limit.
How pathetic is that? His only chance of winning is to have Mayweather be unnaturally bulky and break his hands on Oscar's head. What a "Mexican warrior".
Oscar has no chance at all with Floyd's speed. It won't even be a contest. Oscar won't even be able to hit him but a few times. And, I've always thought Oscar was gay too. He got really offended when Mayorga called him a faggg, so he obviously is gay.
Reyaj
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Actually, generally, the man with the power (in this case DLH), nearly always put stipulations into the contract. Its their right as being the drawcard.
I see Oscar having a very good chance in this one, too big, too strong, and is FAR MORE of a complete package than any of Mayweathers other opponents. Remember, Oscar is FAST, he can box very very well, and he will no doubt outslug Mayweather.
I think its a pick'em, but Im gonna say Oscar.
I see Oscar having a very good chance in this one, too big, too strong, and is FAR MORE of a complete package than any of Mayweathers other opponents. Remember, Oscar is FAST, he can box very very well, and he will no doubt outslug Mayweather.
I think its a pick'em, but Im gonna say Oscar.
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Reyaj
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yes but Oscar in his prime couldn't beat Shane Mosley's. Mayweather is even faster than Shane and perhaps a better overall boxer?
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btw Clooney I dont consider you an Oscarsexual 
I can understand the logic of the bigger name making more demands, but it seems tainted to me. This is a fight, let's see who's the better man under equal conditions.
Reminds of me Ray Leonard vs Hagler, I believe the ring was unusually large, the gloves were 10oz instead of 8, and it had 12 rounds instead of 15. Ray Leonard was show-boating and being flashy the whole fight, with tremendous crowd support, while Hagler just flatly plodded along and banged him to the body. Nothing ever hurt or stunned Hagler, Ray's combos were pitty-pat and designed to steal rounds.
That decision wasn't concrete in most people's eyes (I've only seen it once, and had Leonard winning close), I don't want this fight to be tained the way that one was.
I think Oscar is past his prime, he's never really been a pressure fighter. The blueprint to beat Mayweatehr has been made - it was Castillo in the first fight. Keep moving forward with your hands up, cut the ring, throw 5 or 6 punches in a row and you might land the last 2. Oscar has never been that kind of fighter, I can't see him beating Floyd in a contest of counter-punching. Beating Floyd is about stamina, consistency, and a tough chin, I think Oscar will be too focused on size and strength going into the fight.
I can understand the logic of the bigger name making more demands, but it seems tainted to me. This is a fight, let's see who's the better man under equal conditions.
Reminds of me Ray Leonard vs Hagler, I believe the ring was unusually large, the gloves were 10oz instead of 8, and it had 12 rounds instead of 15. Ray Leonard was show-boating and being flashy the whole fight, with tremendous crowd support, while Hagler just flatly plodded along and banged him to the body. Nothing ever hurt or stunned Hagler, Ray's combos were pitty-pat and designed to steal rounds.
That decision wasn't concrete in most people's eyes (I've only seen it once, and had Leonard winning close), I don't want this fight to be tained the way that one was.
I think Oscar is past his prime, he's never really been a pressure fighter. The blueprint to beat Mayweatehr has been made - it was Castillo in the first fight. Keep moving forward with your hands up, cut the ring, throw 5 or 6 punches in a row and you might land the last 2. Oscar has never been that kind of fighter, I can't see him beating Floyd in a contest of counter-punching. Beating Floyd is about stamina, consistency, and a tough chin, I think Oscar will be too focused on size and strength going into the fight.
Yeah, guys like Ray Robinson used to do it all the time also. Its just a fact of boxing.6-heads lewis said:btw Clooney I dont consider you an Oscarsexual
I can understand the logic of the bigger name making more demands, but it seems tainted to me. This is a fight, let's see who's the better man under equal conditions.
Reminds of me Ray Leonard vs Hagler, I believe the ring was unusually large, the gloves were 10oz instead of 8, and it had 12 rounds instead of 15. Ray Leonard was show-boating and being flashy the whole fight, with tremendous crowd support, while Hagler just flatly plodded along and banged him to the body. Nothing ever hurt or stunned Hagler, Ray's combos were pitty-pat and designed to steal rounds.
That decision wasn't concrete in most people's eyes (I've only seen it once, and had Leonard winning close), I don't want this fight to be tained the way that one was.
I think Oscar is past his prime, he's never really been a pressure fighter. The blueprint to beat Mayweatehr has been made - it was Castillo in the first fight. Keep moving forward with your hands up, cut the ring, throw 5 or 6 punches in a row and you might land the last 2. Oscar has never been that kind of fighter, I can't see him beating Floyd in a contest of counter-punching. Beating Floyd is about stamina, consistency, and a tough chin, I think Oscar will be too focused on size and strength going into the fight.
I thought it was BRILLIANT how Leonard fought against Hagler, he boxed him, purely using the sweet science, hit and not get hit. He obviously was way past it, had barely fought in years and years, and just outboxed him. Too many skills for Hagler at that point, though the fight was close.
I think Oscar is past his prime also, but he is a natural 154lber these days, he has grown into it. Mayweather has gone up too fast, too quick, and like everyone else who tries that, I think he will get beaten. He looked a lot slower, and had far less footwork at welter in comparison to younger days.
Mayweather puts his head up and admires his work sometimes, perfect chance for the DLH counter left hook. He telegraphs his lead right, and Oscar surely has to have picked up on that.
His only chance is spending the fight on his bike, pot shotting.
DLH has slugged in numerous fights, watch him V Mosley in fight one (didnt work of course), and against Oba Carr. He walked them down all night, against Gonzalez he fought more, and against Rueles, he was in there to blast him out.
I dont think Mayweather is nearly as fast as Mosley, the Mosley back then was lightening. Watch how much faster Zab looks against Mayweather, thats how fast Mosley used to be. Its more Mayweathers accuracy, and timing that allows him to hit you on the button, not his speed.Jayer said:
But Mayweather is the better overall boxer, at least defensively. Though Mosley had a higher punch output than Mayweather and definately hit a lot harder!
PRMoon
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Guess which las vegas resident has tickets to this bad boy! Boo yah the after party is gonna be kicking no matter who wins!
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Reyaj
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Next weekend is big day.
Should be interesting.
I'd like to see DLH hurting PBF early on, so that extra tension is there, the chance of a real KO is there.
As opposed to PBF putting on a clinic and boxing circles around DLH. I can't see that happening though, DLH always has something to give. PBF never fought anyone this big, too. We'll see!
Mosley fights differently, too. Quicker, more punches, more aggressive. He won once clearly, the second time it was too close to call a clear win.
I'd like to see DLH hurting PBF early on, so that extra tension is there, the chance of a real KO is there.
As opposed to PBF putting on a clinic and boxing circles around DLH. I can't see that happening though, DLH always has something to give. PBF never fought anyone this big, too. We'll see!
Mosley fights differently, too. Quicker, more punches, more aggressive. He won once clearly, the second time it was too close to call a clear win.
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Ya never really know until the fight is fought. DLH surprised a lot of people in his last outing, and I wouldn't be all that surprised if he comes up with a surprise this time, however good Mayweather may be.
Also, it does tend to be difficult for a smaller guy with less reach to box someone who has a height and reach advantage. DLH is wise to work on timing, because if his timing is good enough, he will get to Mayweather.
Also, it does tend to be difficult for a smaller guy with less reach to box someone who has a height and reach advantage. DLH is wise to work on timing, because if his timing is good enough, he will get to Mayweather.
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Oscar didn't "surprise" anyone against Mayorga, he came out and beat a beer-swigging, chain-smoking amateur fighter. Mayorga was mentally and physically destroyed by Trinidad and could never recover, much like Reid, Freitas, and Vargas, 2 of which were simiarly destroyed by a vicious Trinidad beating.
Oscar has a history of only fighting guys after their prime, or waiting until they get crushed in their previous fight to challenge them. And then not giving them a rematch to boot!
From what I've heard behind the scenes, Mayweather is the much humbler, kinder and more generous person. Oscar comes across as cheap, deceitful and rude when the cameras are off. He's obviously more concerned about his image and resume than he is about actually fighting the best. This is the same guy who paid Campas $35,000 to be his opponent on a PPV where he probably made 10+ million.
I hope Oscar gets humiliated, and expect him to lose 9 rounds to 3. The scorecards will sound closer than the fight actually was.
DLH's only chance is to catch him with a fluke power punch early because the atmopshere will be so energetic and chaotic. As soon as round 3 or 4 starts and the fight has an established rhythm, DLH has no chance.
Oscar has a history of only fighting guys after their prime, or waiting until they get crushed in their previous fight to challenge them. And then not giving them a rematch to boot!
From what I've heard behind the scenes, Mayweather is the much humbler, kinder and more generous person. Oscar comes across as cheap, deceitful and rude when the cameras are off. He's obviously more concerned about his image and resume than he is about actually fighting the best. This is the same guy who paid Campas $35,000 to be his opponent on a PPV where he probably made 10+ million.
I hope Oscar gets humiliated, and expect him to lose 9 rounds to 3. The scorecards will sound closer than the fight actually was.
DLH's only chance is to catch him with a fluke power punch early because the atmopshere will be so energetic and chaotic. As soon as round 3 or 4 starts and the fight has an established rhythm, DLH has no chance.
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I am a big Oscar fan but taking that aside and looking at this fight from a high vantage point I really can't see Oscar winning. This is one of the few times that I really hope I am wrong and that Oscar surprises me.
Despite Mayweather's camera antics I have to admit he is is a great fighter that doesn't come around that often this day in age. I can't think of any boxer today that has more hand speed, accuracy and tight defense let alone all of them combined.
I can't agree with anyone that thinks Mosley or Zab is faster than him. I would say their footwork may be about even its just that Shane and Zab have more bounce in their step so it may appear that they have faster feet. Its really not the case if you study their fights. Mayweather steps as quick as anyone albeit Mosley and Zab may have a higher punch output.
Oscar's defense is good but not great. I can see Floyd landing clear shots all night and I think his power is underrater.
I hope Oscar does win. I think his best chance is pressure him like Jose Luis Castillo did. Hopefully Freddie Roach will have him ready.
can't wait for this one...
Despite Mayweather's camera antics I have to admit he is is a great fighter that doesn't come around that often this day in age. I can't think of any boxer today that has more hand speed, accuracy and tight defense let alone all of them combined.
I can't agree with anyone that thinks Mosley or Zab is faster than him. I would say their footwork may be about even its just that Shane and Zab have more bounce in their step so it may appear that they have faster feet. Its really not the case if you study their fights. Mayweather steps as quick as anyone albeit Mosley and Zab may have a higher punch output.
Oscar's defense is good but not great. I can see Floyd landing clear shots all night and I think his power is underrater.
I hope Oscar does win. I think his best chance is pressure him like Jose Luis Castillo did. Hopefully Freddie Roach will have him ready.
can't wait for this one...
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I have to show up a half hour early for work and park in the stupid guest parking garage all week long because of this thing. We're gonna be packed all week long at the MGM.
Small price to pay for free tickets though!!!
Small price to pay for free tickets though!!!
Just a few comments on some of these points:Jayer said:
Zab was NOTICABLY faster than Mayweather. There is no question about it. Every single other person on every boxing forum agrees.
Its simply Mayweathers TIMING that makes him so good and look so fast. Watch for yourself, he will not be that much faster than DLH whatsoever, if at all.