Bonhomme
Master Don Juan
Whatever happened to "The worst people talk about other people, better people talk about things, and the best discuss ideas?"
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
David Deangelo's "conversation topics for dates" tip
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"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Mr.Positive
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Hey, great saying Bonhomme!!
It reminds us of the biggest red flag of all..when women trash talk other people. What people say about others, says everything IMO.
It reminds us of the biggest red flag of all..when women trash talk other people. What people say about others, says everything IMO.
Rollo Tomassi
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A person who talks about other people is a gossip. A person who talks about themselves is an egoist. But the person who can get another to talk about themselves is an amazing conversationalist.
The recommendation I recall from reading "How to win friends and Influence People" for conversation topic is to talk about, be interested in, and ask questions about the other person. Most people's #1 interest is themselves. You can spend the entire time talking about the other person and they will later dub you as a great conversationalist.
Bonhomme
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Right on, Rollo and azanon.
“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”
You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.
I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.
Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.
These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.
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Yeah, um, David DeAngelo didn't come up with that.
Ever onward
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Bonhomme isn't claiming that David D. came up with that idea. What Bonhomme is referring to is David D's conversational date tip about talking about and busting on other people who are nearby.
Bonhomme is saying "what's up with David D's philosophy? Whatever happened to the mindset that says "The worst people talk about other people, better people talk about things, and the best discuss ideas?"
Bonhomme is saying "what's up with David D's philosophy? Whatever happened to the mindset that says "The worst people talk about other people, better people talk about things, and the best discuss ideas?"
Bonhomme
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Thanks for posting reference, lildevil. Fran Lebowitz came up with some damn good ones.
Eaxctly, Ever_onward. Reading that "tip" got me thinking I'd not even want a fk-buddy who was into that sort of conversation. Better to just skip the conversation altogether, and get right down to action. Come to think of it, it often is anyway.
Eaxctly, Ever_onward. Reading that "tip" got me thinking I'd not even want a fk-buddy who was into that sort of conversation. Better to just skip the conversation altogether, and get right down to action. Come to think of it, it often is anyway.
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Anyone know any good sources on how to acquire this skill?Rollo Tomassi said:
"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.