ROOKIE OF THE YEAR
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who's better?
"The Kiss of Death Mistake"
You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?
Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.
One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.
Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.
david deangelo vs. ross jeffries
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“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
diablo
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I really hate these 2-word threads. I mean, if you're going to expect people to take your thread seriously, you should at least put some effort and thought into what you write.
ROOKIE OF THE YEAR
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well
if AFC wants to be successful with women, should they go for which one more?
if AFC wants to be successful with women, should they go for which one more?
diablo
Master Don Juan
Take your pick. The problem is that you aren't even approaching women yet... before spending your hard-earned money, why don't you complete the (free) DJ Boot Camp?
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Well I got both their eBooks and its all the same to me. To personally tell the truth, anything you want to know is found here in DJ Discussion forum. I agree to diablo.
First you have to meet women to prove its correct coz if you cant. You are wasting not just money. But everything bro.
First you have to meet women to prove its correct coz if you cant. You are wasting not just money. But everything bro.
Dust 2 Dust
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Ross Jeffries is a con artist and his advice is sh1t. I'm glad that all that NLP crap was deleted from the bible.
ROOKIE OF THE YEAR
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REALLY?
because i was listening to david deangelo's interview with ross jeffries. They seem to be friends.
because i was listening to david deangelo's interview with ross jeffries. They seem to be friends.
Re: REALLY?
This is our anti-feminist movement.
True. I've listened to that interview. It looks like David D. was a student of Ross Jeffries which is very cool in my opinion. We're all working together to improve our success with women.
This is our anti-feminist movement.
"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
To the credit of each, David DeAngelo's C+F (not to be confused with neg hits) is fantastic if used right.
Ross Jeffries has a seminar series on building confidence, which is also fantastic. It helps to understand low self-esteem and fear of rejection, though it does get a bit ridiculous at times.
In terms of seduction, I think they both live in a fantasy world. I consider both to be lacking in social skills and to have very little understanding of human nature.
Ross Jeffries has a seminar series on building confidence, which is also fantastic. It helps to understand low self-esteem and fear of rejection, though it does get a bit ridiculous at times.
In terms of seduction, I think they both live in a fantasy world. I consider both to be lacking in social skills and to have very little understanding of human nature.
Alpine
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choose your source carefully
I used to think this forum was the dog's dangleys, but the more I learn from experience and the more threads I read I realise 80% of what people are saying here is complete disinformation.
As a newbie, you will take everything on face value 'cos you know no different. After a while you get to realise who's talking sh1te.
How do you know anyones credentials? At least with De Angelo it's from a kosher source and it's one system. If you take a bit from one guy and a different philosophy from another they conflict and confuse.
Pick a thread, any thread. Read through the advice. I guarantee you will find two people offering advice that is the total opposite to the other. Which is right? They can't both be right, or can they?
I used to think this forum was the dog's dangleys, but the more I learn from experience and the more threads I read I realise 80% of what people are saying here is complete disinformation.
As a newbie, you will take everything on face value 'cos you know no different. After a while you get to realise who's talking sh1te.
How do you know anyones credentials? At least with De Angelo it's from a kosher source and it's one system. If you take a bit from one guy and a different philosophy from another they conflict and confuse.
Pick a thread, any thread. Read through the advice. I guarantee you will find two people offering advice that is the total opposite to the other. Which is right? They can't both be right, or can they?
Re: choose your source carefully
I think a lot of people, including the top "gurus", give advice based on theory and not experience. The trouble with theory in terms of seduction is that it is very logical to us so we tend to believe it. However, women aren't logical beings and theory rarely works in practice.
I've always claimed to learn more from reading about other people's screw ups on this board than the alleged success stories from the guys with huge egos.
So damn true!
I think a lot of people, including the top "gurus", give advice based on theory and not experience. The trouble with theory in terms of seduction is that it is very logical to us so we tend to believe it. However, women aren't logical beings and theory rarely works in practice.
I've always claimed to learn more from reading about other people's screw ups on this board than the alleged success stories from the guys with huge egos.
englishcrap
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Ross Jeffries stuff is a load of rubbish. Dont waste money on it please !!.
"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
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Re: choose your source carefully
Maximus_Decimus
Nothing will replace field experience in the real world. Furthermore, you have be very cognitive of what you are doing in the field to figure out what works and what doesn't. If you use David Deangelo's ****y & Funny routine perfectly but you seem to be repelling every chick you come across, it may not be the failure of the ****y & Funny routine but something else that is causing you to repel every women you approach (ie. you smell like sh*t and they want to keep their distance from you).Originally posted by Alpine
How do you know anyones credentials? At least with De Angelo it's from a kosher source and it's one system. If you take a bit from one guy and a different philosophy from another they conflict and confuse.
Pick a thread, any thread. Read through the advice. I guarantee you will find two people offering advice that is the total opposite to the other. Which is right? They can't both be right, or can they?
Maximus_Decimus
Alpine
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Very true Max,
Sometimes an honest wingman with a third person perspective is worth their weight in gold.
It's almost impossible to remove all variables bar one to test a particular aspect of your game. You are after all dealing with people, even worse women, even the same women may give a totally different response within 10 mins of the first.
This is why numbers are important. Over time things will average out and your ratios make sense.
Intelligent analysis of your efforts coupled with a change in strategy, turn you into the guided missile of DJing, uw eer Mrs.
I suspect on of the biggest reasons for people failing is they don't try something enough times to see whether it works, the second is if it don't work they just give up completely or carry on doing something that never works.
Sometimes an honest wingman with a third person perspective is worth their weight in gold.
It's almost impossible to remove all variables bar one to test a particular aspect of your game. You are after all dealing with people, even worse women, even the same women may give a totally different response within 10 mins of the first.
This is why numbers are important. Over time things will average out and your ratios make sense.
Intelligent analysis of your efforts coupled with a change in strategy, turn you into the guided missile of DJing, uw eer Mrs.
I suspect on of the biggest reasons for people failing is they don't try something enough times to see whether it works, the second is if it don't work they just give up completely or carry on doing something that never works.
I_Only_Live_Once
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I do see some advice that is conflicted. For example on sosuave.com, Dr. Love (I think that's his name) talks extensively about how one should not touch the girl 'cause it makes them want to touch you, but on these messageboards the opposite is talked about with Kino and initiating contact.
Dublinsfinest
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deangelo doesn't get much women by all accounts. Ross Jeffries cannot work clubs. The best out there is Mystery by a long way.
"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.