"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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david deangelo vs. ross jeffries

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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At what?

I reckon David DeAngelo is better at discus and javelin, but Ross Jeffries is better at the long jump.

Seriously though, I rate neither.
 

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I really hate these 2-word threads. I mean, if you're going to expect people to take your thread seriously, you should at least put some effort and thought into what you write.
 

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Take your pick. The problem is that you aren't even approaching women yet... before spending your hard-earned money, why don't you complete the (free) DJ Boot Camp?
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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Re: well

Originally posted by ROOKIE OF THE YEAR
if AFC wants to be successful with women, should they go for which one more?
Both. But like diablo said, read the DJ Bootcamp and there's also Weapons of Mass Seduction.
 

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Well I got both their eBooks and its all the same to me. To personally tell the truth, anything you want to know is found here in DJ Discussion forum. I agree to diablo.

First you have to meet women to prove its correct coz if you cant. You are wasting not just money. But everything bro.
 

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Ross Jeffries is a con artist and his advice is sh1t. I'm glad that all that NLP crap was deleted from the bible.
 

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REALLY?

because i was listening to david deangelo's interview with ross jeffries. They seem to be friends.
 

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Re: REALLY?

Originally posted by ROOKIE OF THE YEAR
because i was listening to david deangelo's interview with ross jeffries. They seem to be friends.
True. I've listened to that interview. It looks like David D. was a student of Ross Jeffries which is very cool in my opinion. We're all working together to improve our success with women.

This is our anti-feminist movement. :D
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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To the credit of each, David DeAngelo's C+F (not to be confused with neg hits) is fantastic if used right.

Ross Jeffries has a seminar series on building confidence, which is also fantastic. It helps to understand low self-esteem and fear of rejection, though it does get a bit ridiculous at times.

In terms of seduction, I think they both live in a fantasy world. I consider both to be lacking in social skills and to have very little understanding of human nature.
 

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choose your source carefully

I used to think this forum was the dog's dangleys, but the more I learn from experience and the more threads I read I realise 80% of what people are saying here is complete disinformation.

As a newbie, you will take everything on face value 'cos you know no different. After a while you get to realise who's talking sh1te.

How do you know anyones credentials? At least with De Angelo it's from a kosher source and it's one system. If you take a bit from one guy and a different philosophy from another they conflict and confuse.

Pick a thread, any thread. Read through the advice. I guarantee you will find two people offering advice that is the total opposite to the other. Which is right? They can't both be right, or can they?

:confused:
 

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Re: choose your source carefully

Originally posted by Alpine
I used to think this forum was the dog's dangleys, but the more I learn from experience and the more threads I read I realise 80% of what people are saying here is complete disinformation.

As a newbie, you will take everything on face value 'cos you know no different. After a while you get to realise who's talking sh1te.
So damn true!

I think a lot of people, including the top "gurus", give advice based on theory and not experience. The trouble with theory in terms of seduction is that it is very logical to us so we tend to believe it. However, women aren't logical beings and theory rarely works in practice.

I've always claimed to learn more from reading about other people's screw ups on this board than the alleged success stories from the guys with huge egos.
 

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Ross Jeffries is a quack.

David De Angelo, makes HELL of a lot more sense than that guy, but C&F is not the end all tactic.

And you can never learn from reading and watching seminars.

You have to go out there and INTERACT.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Re: choose your source carefully

Originally posted by Alpine
How do you know anyones credentials? At least with De Angelo it's from a kosher source and it's one system. If you take a bit from one guy and a different philosophy from another they conflict and confuse.

Pick a thread, any thread. Read through the advice. I guarantee you will find two people offering advice that is the total opposite to the other. Which is right? They can't both be right, or can they?

:confused:
Nothing will replace field experience in the real world. Furthermore, you have be very cognitive of what you are doing in the field to figure out what works and what doesn't. If you use David Deangelo's ****y & Funny routine perfectly but you seem to be repelling every chick you come across, it may not be the failure of the ****y & Funny routine but something else that is causing you to repel every women you approach (ie. you smell like sh*t and they want to keep their distance from you).

Maximus_Decimus
 

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Very true Max,

Sometimes an honest wingman with a third person perspective is worth their weight in gold.

It's almost impossible to remove all variables bar one to test a particular aspect of your game. You are after all dealing with people, even worse women, even the same women may give a totally different response within 10 mins of the first.

This is why numbers are important. Over time things will average out and your ratios make sense.

Intelligent analysis of your efforts coupled with a change in strategy, turn you into the guided missile of DJing, uw eer Mrs.

I suspect on of the biggest reasons for people failing is they don't try something enough times to see whether it works, the second is if it don't work they just give up completely or carry on doing something that never works.
 

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I do see some advice that is conflicted. For example on sosuave.com, Dr. Love (I think that's his name) talks extensively about how one should not touch the girl 'cause it makes them want to touch you, but on these messageboards the opposite is talked about with Kino and initiating contact.
 

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deangelo doesn't get much women by all accounts. Ross Jeffries cannot work clubs. The best out there is Mystery by a long way.
 

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"The best out there is Mystery by a long way."

Haha.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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