"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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damn i need some serious advice!~

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tmp...you're scaring me dude...it's like you just told me the ending...she is becoming sexually distant from me...aaah damn man...i guess that's a sign that she will be doing something that i won't like and she doesn't feel comfortable being too close to me!~
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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Exactly Vagrant. It's what i like to refer to as the 'overflowing toilet' syndrome. You know the dam thing is going to over-flow and have no way of stopping it.

You do still have a chance though, i believe. Re-thinking it, i think the only thing (or best thing) you can do now is cut off all contact. No phone calls, messaging, not a dam thing. Appear as if you dropped off the face of the Earth.

Maybe In2theGame and LMS have some other good advice for you, but based on knowing from my own experiences in the way females behave and react to certain LTR situations, this is the best option. She will come looking for you if there is no contact.

I feel for ya dude, that pit in your stomach, never a good thing and sux like all he!!
 
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...she is becoming sexually distant from me...aaah damn man...i guess that's a sign that she will be doing something that i won't like and she doesn't feel comfortable being too close to me!~
Hold on!! you never said this!! Now this is an obvious clue!!
 

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Hold on!! you never said this!! Now this is an obvious clue!!
VERY OBVIOUS.
 

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aaah sh!t...even how i'm feelin right now you know...i wanna laugh but i can't...i know i wanna stop everything from happening but i feel like i want things to go on...if i cut all contacts there will be a big chance she might not go through with the whole thing feeling guilty but like i said...i'm moving to cali and i can't have my mind all distracted whether she's out there with another guy or not...if nothing happens i'll stick with the LDR but if something does then i'll end it...that's why i really need to be at the library cuz if there's any place they would go...that's definitely the place...i can even imagine where they will be sitting down...at the table where all the outlets are so she can use her laptop...i'm definitely ruining their fun...damn i feel weak thinking all this stuff...jumping ahead and feeling really insecure but sh!t!~
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Yeah, you didn't mention being sexually distant from you Vagrant, it was pretty-much a given to me though as i had been through a very similar thing three times.

The sexual distancing is the worst gawd-dam thing. You want what you are entitled to, yet have little control over that.

The second gal that cheated on me in this similar way later told me that when the *passion* is lost for a guy, then it's over. She is *passionate* for the new guy and there is no turning back. It's sounds messed-up, but that is how she explained her own behavior in the best terms she could.
 

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aaah sh!t...even how i'm feelin right now you know...i wanna laugh but i can't...i know i wanna stop everything from happening but i feel like i want things to go on...if i cut all contacts there will be a big chance she might not go through with the whole thing feeling guilty but like i said...i'm moving to cali and i can't have my mind all distracted whether she's out there with another guy or not...if nothing happens i'll stick with the LDR but if something does then i'll end it...that's why i really need to be at the library cuz if there's any place they would go...that's definitely the place...i can even imagine where they will be sitting down...at the table where all the outlets are so she can use her laptop...i'm definitely ruining their fun...damn i feel weak thinking all this stuff...jumping ahead and feeling really insecure but sh!t!~
Vagrant, i wish i could sit down with you right now over a cup of coffie. Listen, its not easy but you have to realize whats going on. I have been through it and You have to face it. Believe me, it feels bad now but its all for the better, Trust me!. Your not letting her go, Your freeing yourself from this crap. Let it go. You said your a good looking guy and that is an advantage because once another hottie comes your way, your current G/F will be far from your mind and i am 100000000000000% positive when you leave her, sooner or later she will be calling you to "see how you are". And thats when you say "Im doing GREAT!"
 
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She knows that you are moving to Cali so she is looking out for her sexual future - as hors always do!
 

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Yeah, you didn't mention being sexually distant from you Vagrant, it was pretty-much a given to me though as i had been through a very similar thing three times.

The sexual distancing is the worst gawd-dam thing. You want what you are entitled to, yet have little control over that.

The second gal that cheated on me in this similar way later told me that when the *passion* is lost for a guy, then it's over. She is *passionate* for the new guy and there is no turning back. It's sounds messed-up, but that is how she explained her own behavior in the best terms she could.
damn...all the signs are there...it's just there...if i don't see them together i don't think i'll ever find out the truth...they don't have school on monday...i'll ask her to go to the park...if she says she'll be studying, i'll ask when and that's when i'll be around...ugh...i'm still hoping i'm just thinking crazy thoughts just cuz school's over and i have nothing to do!~
 
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Call that show "Cheaters" so we can see you on TV going after the dude instead of the real culprit - the horfriend! :rolleyes:
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Last Man Standing said:
She knows that you are moving to Cali so she is looking out for her sexual future - as hors always do!

last man standing, I'm tired of you sugercoating everything.. why don't you tell us how you REALLY feel about women? :crackup:
 

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She knows that you are moving to Cali so she is looking out for her sexual future - as hors always do!
Good point.
 

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Vagrant, i wish i could sit down with you right now over a cup of coffie. Listen, its not easy but you have to realize whats going on. I have been through it and You have to face it. Believe me, it feels bad now but its all for the better, Trust me!. Your not letting her go, Your freeing yourself from this crap. Let it go. You said your a good looking guy and that is an advantage because once another hottie comes your way, your current G/F will be far from your mind and i am 100000000000000% positive when you leave her, sooner or later she will be calling you to "see how you are". And thats when you say "Im doing GREAT!"
damn...i already had so much plans for this girl...i can definitely see myself now just f*ckin a lot of girls with no string attach...i thought i found true love cuz my life was a lil messy yet she was there to stick with me telling me lots of things that were music to my ear...now i can definitely say that a woman is looking for a REAL MAN!...that's all they want...a MAN!...a guy that will tell them sh!t when they're doing things wrong...a guy that will f*ck her like a beast!...a guy who wouldn't give a f*ck whether she leaves him or not cuz he can find another girl anytime he wants...a guy who doesn't complain about his life which i did a few times...a guy who has a personality that'll drive her crazy...money...everything...it all makes sense to me now why NICE guys will always finish LAST!~
 
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last man standing, I'm tired of you sugercoating everything.. why don't you tell us how you REALLY feel about women? :crackup:
Haha, no one will ever find a post of mine where I talk bad about women - you won't find one! I only talk bad about hors because it is congruent with their behavior!

Talking bad about bad is good!

Talking good about good is good!

Talking bad about good is bad!

Talking good about bad is bad!

Do you see the congruency - the logic?
 

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vagrant said:
now i can definitely say that a woman is looking for a REAL MAN!...that's all they want...a MAN!...a guy that will tell them sh!t when they're doing things wrong...a guy that will f*ck her like a beast!...a guy who wouldn't give a f*ck whether she leaves him or not cuz he can find another girl anytime he wants...a guy who doesn't complain about his life which i did a few times...a guy who has a personality that'll drive her crazy
Ahhhhhh... Hey Everyone... Vagrant is learning quickly isnt he? :cheer:
Your on the right track already.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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nice logic LMS...and yeah I2TG, i'm definitely learning things the hard way...i'm calling it a night...thanks a lot for the advice and support...i truly appreciate everything...i got more sh!t to think about before i go to sleep...so peace to everyone!~
 

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honestly i don't have a job and i don't have a lot of friends but i'm a good looking guy
Ahah! Read this statement, looks-only heretics!

I agree with Lastman that there aren't any obvious clues, but I suspect tmp's analysis may be right nontheless. Trying to appease you probably does mean she feels guilty, especially if she's less bubbly in-person than she is on Myspace.


Vagrant, since you claim you have so much time on your hands and seem to be wasting your youth away, let me suggest that you read the Book of Pook in your spare time (see link to the DJ Bible at the bottom of the page). Judging by your posts in this thread, it's pretty obvious that you haven't read it yet.

You sound like a pretty pathetic excuse for a human being right now, and you seriously need a new outlook.

Pulling back and avoiding contact is rarely a bad idea when it comes to women. They'll come running back if they think they've lost you. And stop calling her on the phone just to chat! Phones and idle chit-chat are for WOMEN, not men!


Last Man Standing said:
Call that show "Cheaters" so we can see you on TV going after the dude instead of the real culprit - the horfriend!
:crackup:

Remember, everyone: Men gain value as their # of sexual partners increases, whereas women/hors lose value.
 
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I got more sh!t to think about before i go to sleep...
Poor kid – he is probably dreaming about the library and the details of his surprise attack that he will soon spring upon his unsuspecting romantic partner, who he is sure is cheating on him under the guise of studying for her SAT exam with a dude at the library!

Vagrant, although tormented and restless, eventually falls asleep…

The library dream...

”When I get to the library should I enter the back door or the front door – maybe I should go through a window?” “No, better not go through a window, they may think I’m up to no good and call the police – then my girl will truly find out my intentions when she hears the sirens out front and looks out the window and sees me getting handcuffed” “What to do, what to do? Hmmmmm”

“I’ll have to go in a disguised outfit – but what, but what?

In his dream state he sees himself in the perfect outfit – A BOOK!

“Yeah, that’s it – a book is the perfect cover at the library – I’ll blend right in!!” What kind of book should I be? A textbook? No, that’s too boring. I know, a skateboarding book on a skateboard (remember, this is a dream) – yeah, that’s it! Oh no, wait, that will be too obvious, she’ll know it’s me considering that she knows that my main mode of transport is the skateboard since I don’t have a car. Damn, I should get a job so that I can buy a car then I could be more mobile to track her movements more efficiently” “It has to be a very thin book so that I can easily maneuver through the book shelves – eureka, I got it – I’ll go as a “The History of rational, responsible women in the USA” book!

NARRATION:

The dream gets blurry and takes on a new twist…as dreams always do.

There is a windstorm and he sees a cow flying in the sky wearing pink underwear and goggles, eating a hamburger (Bizarre, I know, but remember it’s a dream). He sees Dorothy from “The Wizard of Oz “, flying around in the windstorm asking the cow for directions to Kansas. The cow just shrugs and says, “Hell if I know, do you think I would be in the air with you if I knew?” Then the cow starts laughing so hysterically that he starts choking on the hamburger!

Then he sees Morpheus, from “The Matrix”, running from the Agents trying to silence him from divulging the truth to the masses. Morpheus is saying, “Feet don’t fail me now - there is no spoon, there is no spoon”. Right then, out of nowhere a large 6 foot fork hits Morpheus in the face and flattens him - an Agent mockingly comments, “There is no spoon but there is a fork!” And he starts laughing hysterically but then suddenly the large fork takes him out too and splits him in half!

After this brief out of sync dream sequence, Vagrant’s girl appears on the scene – she is frolicking about in a field of flowers on a beautiful summer day, naked and only wearing a large smile on her face – he never saw her so happy and so invigorating – she is singing a song with a beautiful melody…La la la, blah blah blah, my beau has found me and will soon pound me, la la la, blah blah blah, he is my beau and I will be his Ho, la la la, blah blah blah, lust is in the air and we make such a great pair la la la, blah blah blah, he will lay me and then play with me, la la la ---- “

Vagrant. Naked as a Jay bird, enters the field of flowers with his arms wide open exclaiming, “I’m here baby, I love you, we shall never part” And then he hums the melody as he is running towards her…but he keeps chasing her but he never seems to reach her (metaphor)…surprisingly, out of nowhere appears Mr. SAT, naked, with books under his arm and then his books fall as he embraces the naked hor and swings her around in her elated state as she is so happy to finally feel his embrace --- Vagrant stops in his tracks and shockingly looks on as he watches them frolicking about in slow motion, which seemed to be an eternity, until eventually they fall in the tall grass out of his sight. He does not see her but he only hears her too familiar moans and screams of ecstasy, He feels foolish and betrayed, even more so when he realizes that he is naked! He realizes that his nakedness is a metaphor for his opened trust and unrestrained emotions that he shared with her – “I exposed my all to her!”, he cries. He finally realizes the error of his ways, “That PuertoRican_Lover dude was right – you can’t trust these hors with your emotions – never love a hor!!!”

Little SoSuave DJ demons appear on his shoulder and slyly state, “There is no such thing as a hor, don’t be a misogynist woman hater”, Vagrant in his indignation rebukes them, and rightfully so! They let out eerily screams and then vanish leaving a “poof” sound in their wake.

Vagrant wakes up with his head swaying side to side clamoring, “I’ll be a DJ one day, I’ll be a DJ one day”. His mother sees his distressed state and slaps him to wake him up into reality (metaphor). His mother asks, “What’s wrong?” Vagrant jumps up out of his bed and runs out the door screaming, “I have to get to the library, I have to get to the library!!! By the time his mother runs to the door Vagrant is a few hundred yards away already, riding furiously on his skateboard at record speed. His mother, in a distraught state yells to him, “Aren’t you going to put on any clothes?” by then Vagrant is too far away and to mentally focused on his mission to hear his mother’s concern and he, unknowingly, is riding his skateboard naked to the library, with his little ‘willy” flapping about, muttering to himself, “I have to know, I have to know for sure”.

The End.
 
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The Library Dream...

How was your sleep kid?

Most of us have been through this - this is the price we pay when we put our love, trust and confidence in an undeserving woman! Learn from this!

Hey, maybe, just maybe she is not cheating and she can explain her aloofness - but do not ask her!!!

The library dream is a nightmare in reality!
 
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there was this guy that asked my girl if they could study together for the SAT test in school...my girl told me about it and i asked her what she said...she told me that she told him that she doesn't know giving him a sign that it wasn't going to happen...this guy was the same guy that my girl had told me that she thinks that like her...they both have the same class every other day 5th period so i don't really know much about what's going on...now this was i'd say was about a month ago...earlier today my girlfriend had told me that she will be busy the whole next week to study for the SAT and that we'll be talking less on the phone...i was good with that and told her it was cool...for some reason i just remembered the guy that asked her about studying together for the SAT after hanging up the phone...it's hard to explain but i can feel something fishy is going on...yesterday my girl stopped by at my place which rarely happens and gave me some donuts from her job and some chicken that she bought from KFC...then she made something on her myspace on her "about me" section saying how much she loves me and all that...there's a library near where they both live...they both live in an apartment and i don't know if i'm going crazy but i really feel like next week both of them will go there after school to study...sh!t!...of course i'm gonna be there spying and sh!t which i feel a little bad about...f*ckin onetis got me goin crazy!~
Well if she was really doing something with this guy, she wouldn't have told you about him, that's just my opinion. But for the time being, don't make it an issue unless it really becomes one.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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