thirdtimescharm
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...her body is a complete turn off.
What do you tell her?
What do you tell her?
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
"sorry I already have a girlfriend"thirdtimescharm said:...her body is a complete turn off.
What do you tell her?
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
I would respect the person enough to just say why I am not into them. Simply hoping that "they get the hint" is a very female way of thinking and is a form of hiding. A male would say: "I'm sorry, but I am into athletic girls" if the girl is not athletic and that is what the male wants. A female would just not say anything and sit there and hope that the guy goes away without her having to put forth any effort.Mr. Me said:Duffdog, why must you tell her what you're into? That's none of her business.
thirdtimecharm, are you needing a response for something she specifically said? Or what? Is she asking you out? Ask her if her girlfriends are coming along, you'd like to meet them.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Or is it that you don't care for being alone and would rather put time in with a woman you don't find that attractive rather then be alone?I keep telling myself to stop responding to women who don't fit my physical criteria too. I know I should do it, but I like the company of women too much to cut myself down that way.
Again, so, you'd rather be in the company of a woman you don't find that attractive, and get involved to the point where it becomes awkward to go backwards, then have to post about it here - rather then be alone?The tough thing is I can see her as a friend, but now that I've messed around with her, it's difficult to imagine going backwards.
That's an interesting take. See, I'd think saying anything that touches on her physical appearance is going to have a sting to it. She won't feel respected if you say you don't like her appearance. So maybe it would be even better to make it about something neutral and say, "I'm more into girls that actively participate in sports, because that's what my lifestyle's all about. We're too different."?I would respect the person enough to just say why I am not into them. Simply hoping that "they get the hint" is a very female way of thinking and is a form of hiding. A male would say: "I'm sorry, but I am into athletic girls" if the girl is not athletic and that is what the male wants. A female would just not say anything and sit there and hope that the guy goes away without her having to put forth any effort.
Absolutely, but as a male, you should not fear the ramblings of any female or her emotional problems.See, I'd think saying anything that touches on her physical appearance is going to have a sting to it.
If some chic attempting to date me wieghed like 240, I would assume that she knows she isn't attractive. I would think that she would feel less respected if you hated her appearance and never told her, yet found some way of weaseling out of talking to her directly about it. Would you feel respected if a chic did that to you?She won't feel respected if you say you don't like her appearance.
Let's Just Be Friends.thirdtimescharm said:...her body is a complete turn off.
What do you tell her?
You wouldn't. You would deal it with it in an stand-up way. Yet you wouldn't also invite it to happen nor escalate events to that degree.I'd think saying anything that touches on her physical appearance is going to have a sting to it.
Absolutely, but as a male, you should not fear the ramblings of any female or her emotional problems.
I wouldn't call it "weaseling". It's not about avoiding the topic of her appearance out of fear of some kind, which is what "weaseling" implies. It's more about being tactful, graceful for the purpose of not coming off as insulting her by my being blunt about her appearance, and letting her down gently. Talk about being respectful, I think coming off as putting anyone down, whether it's based on fact or not, would be part of having that respect.yet found some way of weaseling out of talking to her directly about it. Would you feel respected if a chic did that to you?
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Two comments here ... telling a woman that she is not physically attractive is a dagger in her heart. She believes that her physical attractiveness is the only quality which a woman can rely on to guarantee male attention and now you have told her (in her mind ) that probably she is going to die alone.Colossus said:I run into this a lot. I meet these nice girls who want to date me but I'm just not feeling their looks. A part of me feels bad because I know what it's like to get rejected...but it's life. I've had a few though who just push and push and push for an explanation, and finally I just have to tell them. Never ends well. They turn it around on you like you are the world's biggest pr!ck.
Mr. Me said:You wouldn't. You would deal it with it in an stand-up way. Yet you wouldn't also invite it to happen nor escalate events to that degree.
And knowing you're delivering a sting, why slap her face when this can be handled a different way?
I wouldn't call it "weaseling". It's not about avoiding the topic of her appearance out of fear of some kind, which is what "weaseling" implies. It's more about being tactful, graceful for the purpose of not coming off as insulting her by my being blunt about her appearance, and letting her down gently. Talk about being respectful, I think coming off as putting anyone down, whether it's based on fact or not, would be part of having that respect.
So, if I was heavy and some chick didn't date overweight men, and she found a tactful way to let me down rather then just blurt directly out that she doesn't date fat men, I'd think she's a class act.
I agree that telling a guy DIRECTLY what he NEEDS to hear is the body blow that is required to trigger change.Duffdog said:And yes, when I was a fat, disgusting slob (I actually was when I was younger) The only thing that caused me to change was a massive blow to my self esteem. If I had never received that slap, I would still be fat and wondering why females don't want to date me because nobody ever broke it down in black and white. By being another link in the chain of people who never told her what was really going on, you are simply passing the responsibility on to another person to do that. If you don't do it, someone down the line who thinks like me will.
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.