thirdtimescharm
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...her body is a complete turn off.
What do you tell her?
What do you tell her?
She says the movie looks dumb; you suddenly agree. She tests you with a little attitude; you apologize for nothing.
You think you're being easy to get along with. She reads something else entirely: a man with no edges. Nothing to hold on to. No friction, no tension, no reason to wonder what he really thinks.
The "22 Rules" taught me to push back — playfully, calmly, without needing her approval. Strange things happened after that.
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
"sorry I already have a girlfriend"thirdtimescharm said:...her body is a complete turn off.
What do you tell her?
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
I would respect the person enough to just say why I am not into them. Simply hoping that "they get the hint" is a very female way of thinking and is a form of hiding. A male would say: "I'm sorry, but I am into athletic girls" if the girl is not athletic and that is what the male wants. A female would just not say anything and sit there and hope that the guy goes away without her having to put forth any effort.Mr. Me said:Duffdog, why must you tell her what you're into? That's none of her business.
thirdtimecharm, are you needing a response for something she specifically said? Or what? Is she asking you out? Ask her if her girlfriends are coming along, you'd like to meet them.
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
Or is it that you don't care for being alone and would rather put time in with a woman you don't find that attractive rather then be alone?I keep telling myself to stop responding to women who don't fit my physical criteria too. I know I should do it, but I like the company of women too much to cut myself down that way.
Again, so, you'd rather be in the company of a woman you don't find that attractive, and get involved to the point where it becomes awkward to go backwards, then have to post about it here - rather then be alone?The tough thing is I can see her as a friend, but now that I've messed around with her, it's difficult to imagine going backwards.
That's an interesting take. See, I'd think saying anything that touches on her physical appearance is going to have a sting to it. She won't feel respected if you say you don't like her appearance. So maybe it would be even better to make it about something neutral and say, "I'm more into girls that actively participate in sports, because that's what my lifestyle's all about. We're too different."?I would respect the person enough to just say why I am not into them. Simply hoping that "they get the hint" is a very female way of thinking and is a form of hiding. A male would say: "I'm sorry, but I am into athletic girls" if the girl is not athletic and that is what the male wants. A female would just not say anything and sit there and hope that the guy goes away without her having to put forth any effort.
Absolutely, but as a male, you should not fear the ramblings of any female or her emotional problems.See, I'd think saying anything that touches on her physical appearance is going to have a sting to it.
If some chic attempting to date me wieghed like 240, I would assume that she knows she isn't attractive. I would think that she would feel less respected if you hated her appearance and never told her, yet found some way of weaseling out of talking to her directly about it. Would you feel respected if a chic did that to you?She won't feel respected if you say you don't like her appearance.
Let's Just Be Friends.thirdtimescharm said:...her body is a complete turn off.
What do you tell her?
You wouldn't. You would deal it with it in an stand-up way. Yet you wouldn't also invite it to happen nor escalate events to that degree.I'd think saying anything that touches on her physical appearance is going to have a sting to it.
Absolutely, but as a male, you should not fear the ramblings of any female or her emotional problems.
I wouldn't call it "weaseling". It's not about avoiding the topic of her appearance out of fear of some kind, which is what "weaseling" implies. It's more about being tactful, graceful for the purpose of not coming off as insulting her by my being blunt about her appearance, and letting her down gently. Talk about being respectful, I think coming off as putting anyone down, whether it's based on fact or not, would be part of having that respect.yet found some way of weaseling out of talking to her directly about it. Would you feel respected if a chic did that to you?
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Two comments here ... telling a woman that she is not physically attractive is a dagger in her heart. She believes that her physical attractiveness is the only quality which a woman can rely on to guarantee male attention and now you have told her (in her mind ) that probably she is going to die alone.Colossus said:I run into this a lot. I meet these nice girls who want to date me but I'm just not feeling their looks. A part of me feels bad because I know what it's like to get rejected...but it's life. I've had a few though who just push and push and push for an explanation, and finally I just have to tell them. Never ends well. They turn it around on you like you are the world's biggest pr!ck.
Mr. Me said:You wouldn't. You would deal it with it in an stand-up way. Yet you wouldn't also invite it to happen nor escalate events to that degree.
And knowing you're delivering a sting, why slap her face when this can be handled a different way?
I wouldn't call it "weaseling". It's not about avoiding the topic of her appearance out of fear of some kind, which is what "weaseling" implies. It's more about being tactful, graceful for the purpose of not coming off as insulting her by my being blunt about her appearance, and letting her down gently. Talk about being respectful, I think coming off as putting anyone down, whether it's based on fact or not, would be part of having that respect.
So, if I was heavy and some chick didn't date overweight men, and she found a tactful way to let me down rather then just blurt directly out that she doesn't date fat men, I'd think she's a class act.
I agree that telling a guy DIRECTLY what he NEEDS to hear is the body blow that is required to trigger change.Duffdog said:And yes, when I was a fat, disgusting slob (I actually was when I was younger) The only thing that caused me to change was a massive blow to my self esteem. If I had never received that slap, I would still be fat and wondering why females don't want to date me because nobody ever broke it down in black and white. By being another link in the chain of people who never told her what was really going on, you are simply passing the responsibility on to another person to do that. If you don't do it, someone down the line who thinks like me will.
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.