Cope myth: "Women hit the wall & men only get better with age"

[sazc]

A real knee slapper innit? This "wall" gets taken down then built up constantly depending on the "construction crew".

Yea well, that's what happens when you have an internet discussion board, lots of different ideas, definitions, opinions. Another large problem is that, because this rhetoric serves to soothe some anxieties, members go looking for more of the same information, to reinforce what they read here, and feel better about themselves/their situation. They become unbalanced.

It is what it is

 

[GFella]

Let's take a good look at this major coping myth of "women hitting the wall & men only get better with age"

First let's not pretend that women not only have tons of orbiters, suitors, chads, providers, and mstow / incels talking about them constantly, still banging them, orbiting them, proposing marriage and providing for them, offering cosmetic surgery, gym memberships but the amount of ATTENTION they still get on OLD and any social media compared to most men. But the better quality, higher SMV males of any age, are not.

Everyone "hits the wall" at some point in their lives. Most men aren't getting near even the attention, dates, offers for providing and on and on as women who supposedly "hit the wall". Men rarely do. However, it is a proven fact, that if a man takes care of himself (stays in shape) and acquires resources, he becomes MORE attractive. The reason for this, is women's value is LARGELY dependent on their looks. Men's value is more dependent on their confidence, maturity and resources, status

Even IF you improve yourself to the hilt doesn't mean it automatically or even at all affects womens smv to massive amounts of other types of men. That may be true. However, they don't WANT those other types of men.

What? She hits a certain age and just falls apart? Doesn't go to the gym? Dresses frumpy? Gets banned from social media and cast out like a woman sent on her way? Gtfo. By their own words, most women feel invisible, and indeed ARE invisible, to most men after age 50

See the link : https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/...-moment-Christmas-party-hell-48-desperate.html

These women are always shopping for clothes, going to the gym, getting support for womens rights, using makeup, getting cosmetic surgery, still dating lawyers, doctors, CEOs getting married and getting chased or provided for somehow by men and most times working and providing for themselves and their families. On the contrary, most of this sentence is incorrect. See the link :

My mortifying moment at the Christmas party and why it's hell to be 48, alone and desperate

The Christmas party was in full swing. Brandishing a branch of mistletoe, I danced across the room and locked eyes with the stranger in the corner...

www.dailymail.co.uk

There's milf porn, pregnant, mature, etc for dudes who love that. And midget porn, etc. Irrelevant

There's younger dudes who love older women. A fraction of them. And they never take the 50 year old women with them in public. They "like" them because they can get them easier. Oddly, it boosts an older woman's ego to grab a 26 year old man. How crushing it must be when they pump and dump the older gals.

I could go on. You could, but it wouldn't be any more true

My opinion is the majority of MEN hit that wall waaaay before most women do and it can easily be proven by how much more attention even older women get on social media etc that most dudes of any age. Look closer. 99% of the attention the older women get are from the herd - other women

Like i said you can improve yourself to be the best man that ever lived on the planet. Its not going to flip a switch and have women just "fall apart" at X age and be banished to nowhere. Many other men will still be after them for many reasons. Right - simps. Men who just want to bang. These same men won't marry them, which is what the vast majority of women want.

"Women hit the wall & men only get better with age" is a major cope fail revenge fantasy. Nothing more. I disagree, and 95% of women disagree with you.

But the better quality, higher SMV males of any age, are not.

And you know this for a fact because you personally know all these high quality males? Lmao.

You could put up trash like the Kardashians and they'll outdo attention from the vast majority of men as just one example.


Men rarely do. However, it is a proven fact, that if a man takes care of himself (stays in shape) and acquires resources, he becomes MORE attractive. The reason for this, is women's value is LARGELY dependent on their looks. Men's value is more dependent on their confidence, maturity and resources, status

Men rarely hit the wall? Why bother getting in shape and or staying in shape then and instead aquire resources? Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, Warren Buffet etc are some of the richest men in the world and are never seen as sex symbols. Many wouldnt even find them attractive but prefer a thug football player more attractive


That may be true. However, they don't WANT those other types of men.

Yet the date, fvck, marry etc the same dudes you claim they "don't want". Guess that's considered "settling"?

By their own words, most women feel invisible, and indeed ARE invisible, to most men after age 50.

Could have fooled me because everyone has seen 50 year old women married, dating, getting social media attention, attention at jobs etc.


On the contrary, most of this sentence is incorrect. See the link :

My mortifying moment at the Christmas party and why it's hell to be 48, alone and desperate

The Christmas party was in full swing. Brandishing a branch of mistletoe, I danced across the room and locked eyes with the stranger in the corner...

www.dailymail.co.uk

You post one article as proof otherwise? Lmao. Half the articles out there are clickbait bs.


And midget porn, etc. Irrelevant.


Not irrelevant because if it wasn't wanted or a market for it it wouldn't exist.

A fraction of them. And they never take the 50 year old women with them in public. They "like" them because they can get them easier. Oddly, it boosts an older woman's ego to grab a 26 year old man. How crushing it must be when they pump and dump the older gals.

Just the same as it boosts an older man's ego to get a younger woman. They never take these women in public? They chat them up many many times in bars out in public etc.

You could, but it wouldn't be any more true


You could go on but you still wouldnt be correct in your incorrect opinion that it isnt true.


Right - simps. Men who just want to bang. These same men won't marry them, which is what the vast majority of women want.

Cool cope story bro. Everyone else is the "simp" except for this fairytale male fan fiction exclusive club.

Tell that to the top of the line dudes who are married etc.


I disagree, and 95% of women disagree with you.

Lmao. You can disagree all you like but women aren't just marrying LTRing dudes they want nothing to do with unless you are talking about the clowns that need to purchase wifeys in third world countries.

 

[Dash Riprock]

Let's take a good look at this major coping myth of "women hitting the wall & men only get better with age"

First let's not pretend that women not only have tons of orbiters, suitors, chads, providers, and mstow / incels talking about them constantly, still banging them, orbiting them, proposing marriage and providing for them, offering cosmetic surgery, gym memberships but the amount of ATTENTION they still get on OLD and any social media compared to most men.

Everyone "hits the wall" at some point in their lives. Most men aren't getting near even the attention, dates, offers for providing and on and on as women who supposedly "hit the wall".

Even IF you improve yourself to the hilt doesn't mean it automatically or even at all affects womens smv to massive amounts of other types of men.

What? She hits a certain age and just falls apart? Doesn't go to the gym? Dresses frumpy? Gets banned from social media and cast out like a woman sent on her way? Gtfo.

These women are always shopping for clothes, going to the gym, getting support for womens rights, using makeup, getting cosmetic surgery, still dating lawyers, doctors, CEOs getting married and getting chased or provided for somehow by men and most times working and providing for themselves and their families.

There's milf porn, pregnant, mature, etc for dudes who love that.

There's younger dudes who love older women.

I could go on.

My opinion is the majority of MEN hit that wall waaaay before most women do and it can easily be proven by how much more attention even older women get on social media etc that most dudes of any age.

Like i said you can improve yourself to be the best man that ever lived on the planet. Its not going to flip a switch and have women just "fall apart" at X age and be banished to nowhere. Many other men will still be after them for many reasons.

"Women hit the wall & men only get better with age" is a major cope fail revenge fantasy. Nothing more.

It is true, and I can attest to it, because I'm living it.

I'm over 45. I date women 20+ years younger all the time. As recently as two weeks ago (29 yo, s*ex) and Wednesday night (26 yo, s*ex).
But, I've made very careful choices in life, here are a few:

-An absolute, resolute, no excuses, no BS approach to health and fitness--see the paddle boarding pic from July 27 this year.
-I don't act "old." I have a zest for life, outgoing personality, and charisma. I talk, I laugh, and make sure people are having a good time when we go out.
-I don't dress or present myself like it's 1985. It's 2019 and I present myself as such.
-I said F*UCK the corporate world 20 years ago and started my own business on the kitchen table. Now, we're 15 employees in 6 states with 7 offices.
-I live moderately but well.
-Net worth close to 7 figures.
-Never married, no kids.

Maybe I'm just "lucky" or I get it, don't know. Maybe I was dealt some good cards looks-wise but I've built everything I have including my body and business.

Younger women have zero problem dating, hanging, and having s*ex with me. I could share screenshots of text (sext) conversations with far younger women.

If I could meet a decent women in her 40's I would consider dating her. I've tried. But surprisingly, they seem to play as many games and BS and have much more baggage (kids, crazy ex, demanding job, etc etc) than a younger woman, so why bother?

It's a scientific fact women age quicker, wrinkle quicker, especially in the face and put on weight much quicker as they age. So yes, even from a scientific/biological standpoint, women DO hit the wall, physically, much quicker than men.

TIME is the great equalizer, my male SS friends.

I'm not one of those middle-aged men petrified of being alone and slobbering all over myself at the mere premise of a date with a woman, going all beta-retard. That's probably 90% of the guys in my age category: desperate, paying off some ex wife, maybe child support, corporate puppets, out of shape. It's not even a competition with me and these guys.

Take care of yourself and your paper and you will be coveted by women as you age. No BS.

 

[AttackFormation]

Jeffrey Dean Morgan. 53 and yummy.

A woman on the boat home yesterday looked at me and put herself next to me as she walked onboard. She may very well have been 53. I can't tell exactly, but she was "old enough to be my mom". She looked great. If I was her age I wouldn't mind her being my girlfriend at all. It was obvious she'd always been attractive, but unlike many people, I suspect she'd also avoided bad habits and kept making an effort as she aged which are things anyone can do.

Someone who avoids bad habits and puts effort in will not look the same as when younger, but just like they did when they were young, they will still look attractive. I really don't believe in an "aging apocalypse" where I as a man won't want to fvck women unless they are in their early twenties.

At least for me, I find I'm not as "radically shallow" as the internet wall-chanters seem to indirectly imply I am supposed to be. "Shallow" is a word I have almost never used because I believe looks are the primary attraction factor for people and there's nothing strange about that, but "shallow" in the wall-context specifically implies that I would be unable to feel a woman is attractive unless she looks the same as she did at a certain age. I just personally find, when I watch or interact with women, that's not true even going by looks, but especially not if you go by a woman's whole (looks together with the intangibles: attitude, voice, mannerisms, and the psychological fact itself that we like people more if we think they like us). Attractive people, by looks and their whole, have the prerequisites to keep being attractive people for their age.

 

[051AV]

I've seen women that I've known since high school or their 20s they start loosing their attractiveness when they hit their mid 30s, I know a lot of women in their 40s and they look it. I'm 43 and I look like I'm in my 30s, I'm not ripped but I'm not fat either, my face looks youthful and I have a full head of hair. I know women that work out and live a heathy lifestyle they still look their age the only difference they are not fat and their age.

Women don't get better with age PERIOD once the aging process gets a hold their fvcked, my ex for instance, she used to have a nice body, attractive face, stress etc, she started smoking. She's gotten fat, her face looks older than her age she will never return to the girl she was its not going to happen she's only 33 years old. Not all women age fast but a lot of them do I really really have to be careful when I interact with the women in their 30-40s. I've put my foot in my mouth when I assumed they were in their 40s when they are 35.

A woman is like a cheap car works good when its new gets the job done as the years go by it starts failing it looks old doesn't hold any value. Guys are a high end car looks good lots of power it holds its value, lasts a long time, when it starts to get old it keeps running.

I'm finding with interacting with the 20 year old women they are really insecure and imature, its like they are lagging in life skills I really don't remember 20 year old women back when I was 20 years old to be this way.

 

[samspade]

Let's take a good look at this major coping myth of "women hitting the wall & men only get better with age"

First let's not pretend that women not only have tons of orbiters, suitors, chads, providers, and mstow / incels talking about them constantly, still banging them, orbiting them, proposing marriage and providing for them, offering cosmetic surgery, gym memberships but the amount of ATTENTION they still get on OLD and any social media compared to most men.

Everyone "hits the wall" at some point in their lives. Most men aren't getting near even the attention, dates, offers for providing and on and on as women who supposedly "hit the wall".

Even IF you improve yourself to the hilt doesn't mean it automatically or even at all affects womens smv to massive amounts of other types of men.

What? She hits a certain age and just falls apart? Doesn't go to the gym? Dresses frumpy? Gets banned from social media and cast out like a woman sent on her way? Gtfo.

These women are always shopping for clothes, going to the gym, getting support for womens rights, using makeup, getting cosmetic surgery, still dating lawyers, doctors, CEOs getting married and getting chased or provided for somehow by men and most times working and providing for themselves and their families.

There's milf porn, pregnant, mature, etc for dudes who love that.

There's younger dudes who love older women.

I could go on.

My opinion is the majority of MEN hit that wall waaaay before most women do and it can easily be proven by how much more attention even older women get on social media etc that most dudes of any age.

Like i said you can improve yourself to be the best man that ever lived on the planet. Its not going to flip a switch and have women just "fall apart" at X age and be banished to nowhere. Many other men will still be after them for many reasons.

"Women hit the wall & men only get better with age" is a major cope fail revenge fantasy. Nothing more.

You are right to point out that there is a bit of self-deception with men around here and "the wall." Men will hit it, too. Father Time is undefeated. Tom Brady, sooner or later your number will come up, lol.

But the important thing is that we compare women against women, and men against men. A comparison of a 50 year old woman vs. a 50 year old man, for instance, will get us nowhere. Apples and oranges.

Women don't just fall apart, they age and age faster than men. That plus the different sexual values in men as opposed to women makes it a tough world out there for any female who's over the hill.

That is to say, youth can be a huge trump card, all things being equal. I worked for years at a college, and there were scores of 18-22 year old women that gave me a boner, even though many of them I could tell would not look so good in just 5-7 years. Weight gain, wrinkles, and (nobody ever mentions this) the growth of the jaw bone are tough opponents for any female fighting Father Time.

Men, on the other hand, look boyish in their youth, but more importantly tend to lack the experience that gives them repose, which when coupled with confidence and direction makes them attractive to women of many ages. Have you ever sat near a gaggle of 21 year old dudes in a bar? I have, and it's not a pretty sight (and worse on the ears). And I've dated young women who will tell you the same.

A woman who's kept in shape and learned some charm (a lost art) at any age can be attractive. Men need to do the same, but all things being equal I'd say men get an extra dozen or so years before they hit the wall. That's an average I pulled out of my a$$. Anyway, the proof is in the pudding - the cosmetic industry makes billions every year why? Not because women are trying to look older.

 

[SoSuave666]

It's not about whether dudes will sleep with her at 43 vs. 23. Of course some guys will find her attractive still and happily strap in for the ride. The wall is all about a woman's internal SMV. Most women realize right around the age of 27 that they are no longer able to compete with the new crop of 21-24 year old women. While the three year difference doesn't seem like a lot, all that booze, partying, and d!ck has taken it's toll. Her internalization of this, along with her BIOLOGICAL clock, telsl her it's time to find a mate: she hit da wall.

Problem is, she can no longer pair bond. See, most women who are 7+ have had it so easy when it comes to attracting/sleeping with men that their bonding has been diluted to the point of no return. these women typically hop from relationship to relationship seemingly at a whim because they *can*. They don't need to do one night stands because the next hot guy can come along and try and wife her up and she doesn't have to deal with being labeled a slvt because it's all under the veil of "relationship."

Men on the other hand absolutely gain SMV as they age. Until probably about 38. You can be very successful with women after that still, but I think 38 is peak. If you stay fit and trim, get your money right, and have a confidence about you that comes from success banging lots of women, you are the epitome of what a woman wants. Powerful, handsome, confident, self-assured, dominant. I'm about to turn 33 and I have never had it easier with women. 21 - 24 is no problem.

Paging @DEEZEDBRAH

 

[Fireballs]

OP is obviously a women

 

[AJ84]

And with that, you have proven my point

Yeah, I already stated in an earlier post that older men who take care of themselves and are fit are attractive. My mentioning of that actor was actually proving my own point on that

 

[AttackFormation]

Problem is, she can no longer pair bond. See, most women who are 7+ have had it so easy when it comes to attracting/sleeping with men that their bonding has been diluted to the point of no return. these women typically hop from relationship to relationship seemingly at a whim because they *can*. They don't need to do one night stands because the next hot guy can come along and try and wife her up and she doesn't have to deal with being labeled a slvt because it's all under the veil of "relationship."

Please tell me what a "7" is. Are 10% of women 7s, because the scale goes from 1-10? Are fewer women 7s than 5s because men (unlike women) rate attraction on a bell curve? Or are more women 7s than 5s because everyone on the internet only dates "at least a 7" and is themselves "at least a 7"? Are more women 7s than 5s because they jump points when they put on cosmetics and/or take retouched photos? Are there more or less 7s depending on whether women can be a 7 relative to their age or it's age-independent?

Please tell me what the case is, as the amount of women you talk about changes significantly depending on your definition.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

It's not about whether dudes will sleep with her at 43 vs. 23. Of course some guys will find her attractive still and happily strap in for the ride. The wall is all about a woman's internal SMV. Most women realize right around the age of 27 that they are no longer able to compete with the new crop of 21-24 year old women. While the three year difference doesn't seem like a lot, all that booze, partying, and d!ck has taken it's toll. Her internalization of this, along with her BIOLOGICAL clock, telsl her it's time to find a mate: she hit da wall.

Sauve mate, you said it.

Women rage. They will argue guys will still smash or marry. Guys will ****kkk a rubbe4 vagina. Cucks ****kkk sock puppets.

Problem is, she can no longer pair bond. See, most women who are 7+ have had it so easy when it comes to attracting/sleeping with men that their bonding has been diluted to the point of no return. these women typically hop from relationship to relationship seemingly at a whim because they *can*. They don't need to do one night stands because the next hot guy can come along and try and wife her up and she doesn't have to deal with being labeled a slvt because it's all under the veil of "relationship."

YouTube Molyneux truth on sex/single moms, gene warfare, etc. Tons of referenced sources of information and science regarding the fallout of the carousel. Inability to compete + to pair bond + be a wife and mother.

Men on the other hand absolutely gain SMV as they age. Until probably about 38. You can be very successful with women after that still, but I think 38 is peak. If you stay fit and trim, get your money right, and have a confidence about you that comes from success banging lots of women, you are the epitome of what a woman wants. Powerful, handsome, confident, self-assured, dominant. I'm about to turn 33 and I have never had it easier with women. 21 - 24 is no problem.

Paging @DEEZEDBRAH

Top form SMV 18-23 ftw!

I find it very hard for social circle and the people I grew up with. As i pursue self knowledge, I have found it alienating. A lot of them are full blown beta, Liberal, and simping to post wall, post carousel and or single mom's. Its not a good time. When asked, I have not met the right person yet.

I beeline and pickup chicks. I chatted up a new one today. More times than not, she's bpd, crazy, LTR, and far from anything else particularly useful. Hence the term plate. It serves as a purpose. You don't marry it. It has utility, is a commodity, and until it no longer serves the purpose, you NEXT.

My approach is useless if like RooshV, seeking a wife and mother. IMHO it no longer exists. Women are followers. They followed in the 50s, they follow the culture blindly, and they will be cheered off the cliff.

Enjoy the decline fellas. No better time to be a bachelor. No worse times than the present to seek a wife and mother of your kids.

 

[Atom Smasher]

I haven't read this entire thread, but I must say that I still have match do com sending me emails full of potential matches and I am virtually never even remotely attracted to them. I find them rather repulsive. I can see massive pain and emptiness in their eyes. I can see lots of history on the carousel, and their faces show the extremely damaging effects of male DNA.

I'm rarely ever attracted to any woman over say 35 years old. Women's faces change radically at about that time. All through my 50s I only dealt with women in their early to mid 30s. It was surprising to me that I ended up with a woman who is only a couple years younger than I, but she has defied nature and is absolutely beautiful and youthful looking. I realize this is an incredibly rare thing and that I am very fortunate.

My observation is that in general, men who take fairly decent care of themselves do in fact grow more distinguished as they age, while women hit that wall early on and lose there SMV early. Women of course don't see the wall's effects as clearly as we do. It is a bitter, bitter pill to swallow. It must be rough for them to start to notice that men are looking right past them, just as they did with most men all their lives. That's why so many either give up and grow fat by drugging themselves with sugar, or they over-sexualize themselves with garish makeup and trying to act inappropriately young.

If there's anything I've learned in life, it's that we think things as they are are always going to stay the same. Women most likely thing they are always going to remain youthful looking with high SMV, and it must be truly traumatic to see that disappearing.

Men, listen up. Take decent care of yourself, use your head, develop yourself to be the best "you" that you can be, and the world will be yours for the taking as you get older.

I just went to the hospital for a kidney stone on Friday and even I was surprised at all the attention I got from the women who worked there. It's not due to trying on my part. I'm just a friendly, decent guy who projects strength. That's all it takes at age 62. I definitely don't look 62 so that's part of it, I'm sure, but it doesn't take much to attract women as you get older if you stay somewhat fit and are fun to be around.

 

[Spaz]

Only a virgin or one who is smart but became too smart and turned looney could produce such a thread.

 

[Atom Smasher]

Only a virgin or one who is smart but became too smart and turned looney could produce such a thread.

I agree completely.

 

[Plinco]

Why else would "Women hit the wall & men only get better with age" trope be pushed so vehemently other than being some angry, dejected men's revenge fantasy cope?

If you were a man who can get much younger women constantly there would be no need to worry about women you claim to not want "hitting the wall" as you age like Benjamin Buttons.


I'm not buying the myth. If any of you actually believed that "Women hit the wall & men only get better with age" there would be no need to discuss, or get angry about any of the things women continuously get throughout their lives even to the point of whining about how women have it easier than men which is evidenced daily on the net and the reason MEN are looking to learn "game" etc to try to one up them.

It totally depends on what you do with your life as a man. Women are very much evaluated on their looks which does not get better with age. Women generally hit a wall, most men hit a wall because they get comfortable with age. You get what you deserve in life.

I want to add this too: Women will generally agree with your sentiment because it comforts them to think that men their age (their "partners") are aging along with them and are equal. These are the same women who will say that a man dating a much younger woman is creepy.

 

[SoSuave666]

Only a virgin or one who is smart but became too smart and turned looney could produce such a thread.

Or a woman

 

[Focal core]

It happens.



Dude, this will not end well for him. Tell him to keep some money in cash, gold or silver on the side in a safe deposit box that she doesn't know able. Just for safe keeping. If he even mentions to you that he's going to legally adopt them, you hit him over the head with a baseball bat. Suggest to him to come here or read the horror stories over at http://www.DadsDivorce.com. So stupid...

Sometimes it could be the matter of heart.. Im for one didn't compromised when it comes to my heart and my gut feelings.. Either to dump them or make them my ltr.. So far one for nearly 3 years.. Just dumping occurred

 

[Focal core]

Yeah @sazc, have to keep that pedal on the metal.. Lol..

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

We're seeing a parade of cucks be a prince or others marrying cratered SMV. Meanwhile hotter girls are turning 18 19 20 21 every day.

Its not going to police female logic given beta thirst and cucking. Far too many simps. The most important thing is knowing your self worth. Exercising your self worth, stepping game up, looks max, acquire resources, better lifestyle, self knowledge, lift, cook from home, diet, bank Money, be frugal, and pursue the benefits of bachelor life.

If it comes down to cratered SMV and or single mom's, I'll fap up at pornhub lol. I have no use for trash.


The reality is that, women's SMV short shelf life is a pushback on hypergamy. The simps aren't helping as the fallout would mitigate the situation. Coupled with daddy government.

 

[Snag87]

Women have more SMV than their male peers regardless of age. However the differential decreases as the sexes age.

I agree that women on average hit the wall before men, and since their SMV is so much higher the fall is more precipitous.

Side note - Americans are really lazy and are often wall-smashed before their 30th birthday regardless of sex. Embarrassing