"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Brian McGee

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I completely agree with the fact that the subject of conversation should revolve around the woman during the first few encounters. However, as it stands, I've just entered an LTR (6 months) so I'm not as mysterious to her anymore (she still doesn't know too much though).

What my problem is, is that every single conversation we have is all about her, how she feels, etc etc. She does ask my opinion on most things, but at least 80% of the dialogue is about her. I do realise this is just a female trait, but it seems so vain and selfish.. I've called her out on it a few times and she's just oblivious to it 5 minutes later. I'm not sure if I should just cope with it or tell her to shut the **** up?

It's getting on my nerves.

(And no I'm not an emotionally needy person who needs to be asked how he feels at all :p I'm just getting peed off by the selfishness she's portraying - other than this, she's been going good so far).
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Obsidian

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if you don't like her, just dump her. She's probably not gonna change.

Just state your own opinions, tho, and let that be your input to the conversation. Why the hell do you care about talking about yourself, anyway? Let her jabber on. I personally don't even like talking about myself very much. Read How to Make Friends and Influence People and you will see that most people like to talk about themselves. Get used to it.
 

jigga23

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girls want a guy to just sit there and listen its just the way it is. they dont want a problem solver to their issues they want you to listen. better get used to it cause a lot of chicks are like that
 

I'm Joe Dirt

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I've been in an LTR nearly a year and a half and it seems like most of our conversations are about things that happen to both of us, things we are working on, or daily conversational issues like politics, the news, or intellectual discussion.

Sounds kinda plain and boring (but its really well balanced and fulfilling), but I guess the "get to know you" stage is long over and that's all you got left. I don't think either one of us talks bout "ourselves" anymore.
 

Brian McGee

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I don't think either one of us talks bout "ourselves" anymore.
She's still young (19) so she's in the stage of talking about how her friend said 'goodbye' in an odd tone so she must have a problem, how she had to deal with so much harrrrd work at the reception desk today :rolleyes:, how she thinks so and so off big brother is a so and so... These 'issues' come before everything else, even when I'm trying to watch football :eek:

I think I'm just at the age where I have no emotional needs, I don't want to listen to someone else's emotional needs, and all I care about is sex, comedy and my work/education. I'd dump her, but she's quite attractive and is still satisfying me in the sex department, even after 6 months of the same thing... but I think I'm just going to tell her to stop talking about herself as soon as I get sick of it each time (usually about 1 min into the convo) and if it leads to me dumping her then so be it.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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