"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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ExBeta75

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Greetings gentlemen,
I'd yyour thoughts on this although I'mpretty sure iIknow what your answers will be.

I met a woman through twitter a few years ago. She was 40 at the time wwith2 ppreteen boys. She was married as far as iI knew but told me she was in an open marriage. I know her hhusband through social circles but never interacted.
Against my better judgement we ****ed. Very lame sex actually but at the time I was really low and at the height of my beta.
Biggest redflag was she told "i love you" the minute I came after she blew me.

We carried on a ****buddy ssituation for about a year. I would see her husband and aacknowledgehim and he wwouldn't respond. I asked her about that.. She said.. "oh.. He's just acting up"..

At that point I called it off.

Fast forward to last summer we meet up to catch upand she tells me she has a friend she wants to introduce me to. A mid 30s single mom.. Tons of tattoos (concealed by work attire).
Me and this friend start dating. About 2 months in to seeing each other she invites me to her place and I spend the night. The sex was Ok. A few days later we go a friend of hers birthday party. Every one of her friends are like.. "oh.. YYou're the guy"
she got a little drunk andstarted behaving a bit wild for my tastes. Throwing ice at tthe DJ who didn't play a song she liked for example.

I was really turned off by her behaviour. So iI pulled back.
I was unconsciously keeping her as a plate I guess. I hadn't read aabout redpill or plate ttheory at that point.
Everytime Itried to set up a date something wwould come up with work or her child.
Then I started running into mutual friends and they'd ask me.. "how are things withher"
II'd reply that we're both busy and just haven't been able to connect

So last week... My open relationship'friend' texts me and asks hhow's my love life. I say it'sbeen quiet. She asks if iI'd friend zoned the one she introduced me to.
I said.. I hope not..
She then says she has to go because she she continues texting now she'sggoing to want to **** me.
I say Yeah... Not a good time

I tried to set up a date with her friend this week and she cancelled last minute because of child iissues.

I think I've lost frame and it's time to move on. What say you, gentlemen?
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Augustus_McCrae

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Yes, it sounds like you might be avoiding a fair amount of drama and frustration if you move on.

-Augustus-
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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