Comedian Russell Brand found guilty by UK court of rape and sexual assaults

[Gamisch]

The people in the UK who are raping our women are the masses and masses of illegal immigrants and the grooming gangs, yet nothing done about it. Two tier policing. Yet a tip top investigation takes place when on a white male.

I dont think that is true, and perhaps you can back this claim up with stats and facts.

Its crazy that its specifically the white man who feels like he gets the short end of the stick while he is ( or HAS BEEN?) the most privileged for decades. That includes 60+ year old men who could freely travel to Asia, Africa, east Europe and S America qs a sex tourist to sleep with underage girls.

Personally I kinda chuckle when I see how white men react to the entire dating/ love / relationship game,and thats why I wrote" has been" in capitol letters. Because now men from literally every other culture on earth have an easier dating life than western( white ) men.

But here's the craziest part; first ( white )men ( who support the redpill/ manosphere) en masse ignored that DJT was an alleged rapist and voted him in and gave him all the power, and now they run to defend yet another CONVICTED grapist named R. Brands. Or they are " suspicious " that he is done wrong...like wtf???

DJT was epsteijn's bestie, and there are multiple women saying that he graped them when they were around 12( !!!!) ..what more does one need to at LEAST be suspicious about someone than graping childern????? Wtf??

Personally thats WAY beyond where I morally draw the fecking line. I can understand that such allegations can be murky : okay. But I will at very least distance myself from such a person and DEFINITELY won't worship him AND demand opening files. If you innocent, let's prove it TODAY. Not stalling it out untill after your death sir..

Same with Russell.

Nobody gets 10 years just for sh1ts and giggles.

 

[Rainman4707]

I dont think that is true, and perhaps you can back this claim up with stats and facts.

Its crazy that its specifically the white man who feels like he gets the short end of the stick while he is ( or HAS BEEN?) the most privileged for decades. That includes 60+ year old men who could freely travel to Asia, Africa, east Europe and S America qs a sex tourist to sleep with underage girls.

Personally I kinda chuckle when I see how white men react to the entire dating/ love / relationship game,and thats why I wrote" has been" in capitol letters. Because now men from literally every other culture on earth have an easier dating life than western( white ) men.

But here's the craziest part; first ( white )men ( who support the redpill/ manosphere) en masse ignored that DJT was an alleged rapist and voted him in and gave him all the power, and now they run to defend yet another CONVICTED grapist named R. Brands. Or they are " suspicious " that he is done wrong...like wtf???

DJT was epsteijn's bestie, and there are multiple women saying that he graped them when they were around 12( !!!!) ..what more does one need to at LEAST be suspicious about someone than graping childern????? Wtf??

Personally thats WAY beyond where I morally draw the fecking line. I can understand that such allegations can be murky : okay. But I will at very least distance myself from such a person and DEFINITELY won't worship him AND demand opening files. If you innocent, let's prove it TODAY. Not stalling it out untill after your death sir..

Same with Russell.

Nobody gets 10 years just for sh1ts and giggles.

Hahah, facts and stats, ask anyone from the Uk, quite clear you dont live here. Not everything is about facts and stats. Was Vietnam and Us war about facts and stats, you have to be somewhere and witness things with your own eyes

 

[Gamisch]

Hahah, facts and stats, ask anyone from the Uk, quite clear you dont live here. Not everything is about facts and stats. Was Vietnam and Us war about facts and stats, you have to be somewhere and witness things with your own eyes

So you ;

1 . Can't back up your claim but yet expect me ( the reader) to believe you at face value. Thats the worst " trust me bro" I've EVER heard of!

2. You overtly support a man who is a convicted rapist ,a man who wouldn't piss on fire to save YOUR life. ( you said in a previous post previous page you'd pray for russel... perhaps you can pray for his victims as well. Especially IF he actually IS guilty. Would you aks God to woth them too or you just be like " mweh , shyte happens"?)



I really hope you have the cognitive ability to rethink your statements and get out as a better man and a better overall human eventually. Its not " cool" or " edgy" at all.

 

[BaronOfHair]

He is outrightly critical of the sinister government who are only interested in power and control. He has brought to light so may facts in his podcasts, bringing the government to shame

Brand's one of several million podcasters and commentators who's questioned "the narrative"/made unflattering comments about people in high places. He's really not special in that regard, and if anything his leanings have been more Trotskyist than Alt Right

Admitting outright to horning in on 16 year olds when he was 30 hasn't done him any favors

 

[Rainman4707]

So you ;

1 . Can't back up your claim but yet expect me ( the reader) to believe you at face value. Thats the worst " trust me bro" I've EVER heard of!

2. You overtly support a man who is a convicted rapist ,a man who wouldn't piss on fire to save YOUR life. ( you said in a previous post previous page you'd pray for russel... perhaps you can pray for his victims as well. Especially IF he actually IS guilty. Would you aks God to woth them too or you just be like " mweh , shyte happens"?)



I really hope you have the cognitive ability to rethink your statements and get out as a better man and a better overall human eventually. Its not " cool" or " edgy" at all.

I will end it here because it is getting political now. I do agree with you that Britain has a horrible record when the empire was running.

Also i'm getting a hint of insults from your last sentence which is against forum rules.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Moral of this tale, for our purposes here at SS:

Being self-consciously idiosyncratic(Brand, early/earlyish Johnny Depp)CAN be appealing, especially when a younger man is putting on such a facade. That sh-t stops being cute once a man is into his 40s-all points beyond though, and frequently comes back to bite those who take this approach

 

[Sega Genesis]

Guys I am NOT taking sides here at all but I am somewhat of a legal research junkie, it's what did/do as a paralegal, and found something interesting!

In the UK, there is a provision called "Reasonable Expectation or Belief of Consent" passed in 2003 (I believe after these sexual assaults occurred).

Defined as:

>>"Under UK law (specifically the Sexual Offences Act 2003), consent is defined as agreement by choice, having the freedom and capacity to make that choice (Section 74).

The phrase "reasonable expectation" or "reasonable belief" in consent works as follows:

Reasonable Belief in Consent

"For a person to be found guilty of an offense like rape or sexual assault, the prosecution must prove two things:

1. The complainant did not consent

2. The defendant did not reasonably believe that the complainant consented.

How "Reasonableness" is Judged:

Whether a belief is reasonable depends on all the circumstances, including any steps the defendant took to check whether the complainant actually consented..

No Duty to Inquire Automatically? / Context:

While the law does not set out a rigid mechanical checklist, courts evaluate whether a reasonable person in the defendant's position would have believed there was genuine consent based on the words, actions, and overall context."<<

Like in this case, especially with anal, asking her if she's okay or comfortable during the act. Or her actions/reactions during the act and context. .

The victim first claimed she said "no" in her mind, then later said she explicitly said no.

But assuming she did only say no in her mind, she testified she was bleeding heavily and crying and afterwards RB very crudely said "clean your mess up" so would it have been reasonable for him to believe she did not consent?

It can be a slippery slope.

After working in the legal field for many years, including criminal, and over the summer at the Public Defender's office, in the U.S I do know for a fact people sometimes do get wrongly convicted and/or unfairly sentenced.

Look to what happened in the Duke Lacrosse case many years ago (for example).

That's why plea bargains are often made. I could not find anything stating RB was ever offered a plea bargain.

 

[BaronOfHair]

@Sega Genesis "Like in this case, especially with anal, asking her if she's okay or comfortable during the act. Or her reaction during"

The UK could at least do it's citizens a solid, by specifying:

-Exactly how many times does a fella have to ask the broad he's boffing that? Is once satisfactory, or must he inquire a minimum of 12 times?


-What specific sentence must he utter? Is "Doing okay, honey" sufficient, or is he required to be far more detailed, by saying: "Do you think you may need corrective surgery, if I don't cease and desist thrusting into you immediately?" Verbatim, without any improvisation or deviation, as if he's an actor playing Hamlet onstage at The Old Vic before a live audience numbering in the millions


-At what exact decibels does he have to communicate in? Is speaking in a Chuck Bass-esque whisper acceptable, or must he convey concern for his lady love in glass shattering, Gilbert Gottfried-esque tonalities?

If those of us who reside in The Anglosphere just can't resist the urge to legally regulate every aspect of our daily lives, let's not then do so in the most deliberately vague language imaginable

 

[characternote]

That's why plea bargains are often made. I could not find anything stating RB was ever offered a plea bargain.

we don't really have plea bargains here as fas as i'm aware. The best bet would be an early guilty plea in order to get a reduced sentence here.

But assuming she did only say no in her mind, she testified she was bleeding heavily and crying and afterwards RB very crudely said "clean your mess up" so would it have been reasonable for him to believe she did not consent?

yes. I mentioned in the other thread about me watching the sentencing live and the judge seemed to harp on about that bit and made me feel as a viewer that he was using it as an 'aggrevating factor' which somewhat goes too explain why the sentence was so harsh. Men jump out of bushes with knives here and rape young girls and they get a much smaller sentence than brand got! Honestly i'm still somewhat in shock at his sentence, and I imagine he is too!

 

[Sega Genesis]

@BaronOfHair I can.only speak to my own experience having anal especially when it's somewhat aggressive, but my boyfriend would always ask "are you okay?" "are you enjoying?" or words to that effect. At least once. And we always made sure we used enough lube.

If he saw I was bleeding heavily and crying which never happened but if it did I trust he would stop.

 

[BaronOfHair]

@BaronOfHair I can.only speak to my own experience having anal especially when it's somewhat aggressive, but my boyfriend would always ask "are you okay?" "are you enjoying?" or words to that effect. At least once. And we always made sure we used enough lube.

If he saw I was bleeding heavily and crying which never happened but if it did I trust he would stop.

I agree that it's well-mannered, considerate, and thus preferable for a man to do so. I make an effort to behave this way also. Throughout The English speaking world though, we're fixated on LEGALLY regulating what everyone does in the bedroom, to the degrees which are microscopic

THAT I'm not sold on, any more than I am convinced that fishermen and hunters now requiring licenses is an especially wise idea

 

[user2827]

The people in the UK who are raping our women are the masses and masses of illegal immigrants and the grooming gangs, yet nothing done about it. Two tier policing. Yet a tip top investigation takes place when on a white male.

You got a loissance Fer that opinion?

 

[Bingo-Player]

In my opinion its a massive stichup. He is outrightly critical of the sinister government who are only interested in power and control. He has brought to light so may facts in his podcasts, bringing the government to shame. Similar to Tommy Robinson and Andrew Tate, the government cannot let these people reveal the truth. God be with you Russell.

It is certainly becoming strange how anyone that starts talking too loudly about how corrupt governments and elites are is suddenly either under a state sponsored human trafficking , sexual assault or rape investigation

Huge amounts of tax payer resources are often thrown behind these investigations too and I often wonder where such motivation comes from to take these people down,

 

[UK manc]

Huge amounts of tax payer resources are often thrown behind these investigations too and I often wonder where such motivation comes from to take these people down,

It's the current powerful taking down either the old powerful (Brand) or the potential new powerful (Tommy Robinson, Danny Tommo).

A story as old as time...

 

[user2827]

Ofcourse.

I bet you had a similar opinion about Andrew Tate init? And when its Trump's and his homies turn ( from who zero been heard let alone convicted beside G maxwell who is in a luxury prison) the redpill / Manospere will have a similar response.

One of the reasons why the " Manospere " is dying is because the participants refuse to have morals. Personally I can be your best friend UNTILL you pull some shyte that I morally cannot support. Thats on YOU as an individual. Russel let his little brain take over and this is where it ends; 55 going to jail for 10 years .

Basically the Manospere wants a free pass to grape and harass women without any repercussions. Nope! Won't happen!

It's all fun and games untill its time to face the consequences. And as a father and someone who wants to live righteous I'm happy to see that there still is some morality left in the west.

Let him rot in jail/ hell. NEXT!!!

Is this a troll? I mean connecting Tate, Brand, Epstein / Maxwell, and "the manosphere" is reaching to say the least.

The only connection you could make is Tate, who long presented himself as a pimp with a harem, and talking to men about how to become pimps alongside the self-improvement (mostly in the sense of hitting the gyms)... as far as I know at least. Among people I know and talk to, seeing him be arrested for pimping women out was mostly a mild shock, but still allotted him a presumption of innocence.

Brand has never really shied away from his sexual history... again, I've not followed the case closely, so, maybe they did prove a case, but it smells a lot closer to political persecution or "regretted sex" rather than rape.

Then Epstein / Masxwell, whatever the truth is, those who were visitors are clearly untouchable in wealth, power, and influence. So, connecting it to the "manosphere" is a stretch to the absurd.

 

[Gamisch]

Is this a troll? I mean connecting Tate, Brand, Epstein / Maxwell, and "the manosphere" is reaching to say the least.

The only connection you could make is Tate, who long presented himself as a pimp with a harem, and talking to men about how to become pimps alongside the self-improvement (mostly in the sense of hitting the gyms)... as far as I know at least. Among people I know and talk to, seeing him be arrested for pimping women out was mostly a mild shock, but still allotted him a presumption of innocence.

Brand has never really shied away from his sexual history... again, I've not followed the case closely, so, maybe they did prove a case, but it smells a lot closer to political persecution or "regretted sex" rather than rape.

Then Epstein / Masxwell, whatever the truth is, those who were visitors are clearly untouchable in wealth, power, and influence. So, connecting it to the "manosphere" is a stretch to the absurd.

Troll? Tate been flown out to the US by Trump himself(!!) when and while he was doing time in Romania for pimping minors.

Trump was besties with Epstijn and a bunch of women now stated they've been raped by him when they were 12 , the cases been thrown out without any investigation. Maxwell is in a luxury prison having puppies, a personal gym and guards that say they are " tired of being her b1tch ".

The manospere was the( a big) reason Trump got elected ( proof)

and Brand supported all of this overtly. Talking about the only connection.... You sure YOU ain't trolling?????

Facts don't care about your feelings bruh..

And all of this talking just to defend a CONVICTED rapist...nasty work!!! Just sit down please.

Edit; Ah I see now . " as far as I know". Thats the problem. You DON'T know shyte about shyte, either because you dont WANNA know or you're selectively playing dumb. Lets hope its the former and not the latter even tho the former is also bad AF

 

[user2827]

This is quite the conspiracy theory.

Troll? Tate been flown out to the US by Trump himself(!!) when and while he was doing time in Romania for pimping minors.

I think I see the map you want to build.

As I said about Tate, guy who talks about being a pimp and telling people how to build that lifestyle being charged for what amounts to prostitution. It's not really a stretch, but not really proof either.

I am not aware of what Trump has said to justify the decision, but this stretches the insinuation to its limits.

Trump was besties with Epstijn

is this to imply that because he appeared on the flight logs to that island, that they are besties?

by that logic, Bill Gates was much closer friends with 5-6 trips, including after he was convicted previously.

Or bill clinton who had been on 20+ trips to the island.

But, if you look at the timeline, after the one trip Trump made, he had banned Epstein from all of his resorts... not exactly supporting the claim of being besties.

and a bunch of women now stated they've been raped by him when they were 12 , the cases been thrown out without any investigation.

How much evidence existed to work with? How long ago had this happened? When was it first reported? There's a reason that the legal system presumes innocence.

Maxwell is in a luxury prison having puppies, a personal gym and guards that say they are " tired of being her b1tch ".

Which would make sense if she had made a good deal, but I would have expected to see other arrests expanding from there, so, I could only speculate.

The manospere was the( a big) reason Trump got elected ( proof)

I'm not sure how encompassing you're defining the "manosphere", but at best is one circle in the venn diagram of people who support Trump and why. To imply that the whole of his support base reflects those same values, seems only true because the left has an overrepresentation of men who look like they are allergic to testosterone...

and Brand supported all of this overtly. Talking about the only connection.... You sure YOU ain't trolling?????

Facts don't care about your feelings bruh..

Maybe I'm wrong, it's not like I've seen more than a fraction of Brand's public comments, but that's the next leap in your logic that "the manosphere" has an implicit or explicit endorsement of rape. Are you completely disregarding that portion of the "manosphere" who has all but abandoned the concept of dating and marriage because the table is so far slanted against men that it's not worth the risk?

And all of this talking just to defend a CONVICTED rapist...nasty work!!! Just sit down please.

You're missing the subtlety of my position, if he was legitimately convicted on evidence or confession, then yes, he should be in jail. It seems more that he was convicted for rape on the presumption that consent can be retracted retroactively, or possibly worse, that he was convicted because it was politically expedient... hell, it's the UK we're talking about, the cops will arrest the victim of a crime and hold him while he bleeds out because allegedly he had spoken a slur.

Edit; Ah I see now . " as far as I know". Thats the problem. You DON'T know shyte about shyte, either because you dont WANNA know or you're selectively playing dumb. Lets hope its the former and not the latter even tho the former is also bad AF

No, that's an acknowledgement that I don't know everything about everything.

However, if we are watering down the definition of rape such that you can have consensual sex with a woman and find out 10+ years later that it was rape because your **** rubbed against her ******* for a second. It's a disservice to people are actively forcefully raped, because it raises the bar for them to see justice, while facilitating false accusers.

Do you really want to have to have a "sexual consent contract" detailing everything that is consented to in advance of every encounter? Or having to film every sexual encounter so that there can be a frame by frame analysis to prove yourself innocent?