Comedian Russell Brand found guilty by UK court of rape and sexual assaults

[Westminster]

Although our 'life' is very different from the US's life sentences.
Ours tend to be reserved for the absolute worst of the worst crimes imaginable. And even THEN they will basically never serve 'life' in prison. Usually 15 or so years. Whereas in the US them guys will literally spend their whole lives in prison. Like a 300 year sentence lol

US will even give actual life sentences for drugs.

I'm not sure whether they're gonna make an example of Brand or not and give him a harsh sentence or not. UK is wildly inconsistent with sentencing. You can literally punch a man to death in a random attack and SERVE like 3 years in some instances.

Rape crimes can also get very low sentences, but it's hard to guess. I'm gonna guess Brand gets like a 7 year sentence! (although here in the UK we ALSO only tend to SERVE a fraction of the sentence, so IF I was right, he'd be back on the streets in maybe 4 years)

Although, there's also cases similar to Brands (where the 'rape' wasn't like a guy jumping out in an alleyway with a knife and raping a teenager) where the sentence was like 3 years. I've only read bits about the specifics but it sounds like it was against girls who had previously consented to sex in some cases. And others was more 'assault' (that they call rape) where maybe he grabbed some girls tits etc. I'm not defending him, but from what I HAVE read, it sounds more like an agressive/pushy guy as opposed to what many think of as 'rape'. It's the whole 'failure to say 'no' doesn't mean 'yes' argument I guess. But I honestly feel like by using this standard then most men over teh age of 30 will likely have to be handing themselves in! Even infield from RSD and stuff would probably be considered rape! I remember a video from an RSD instructor (not one of the main/known instructors) who was making out with a girl at the bar and then suddenly started fingering her and she batted his hand away. THAT is more or less what it sounds like to me. If she decided to make an allegation now, then i guess he'd be going to the big house, too

I imagine Brand genuinely thinks he's innocent and extremely hard done by. Like, this isn't a case of the guy jumping out of the bushes or Bill Cosbying some girl etc.

Will be interesting to see what he gets.

I think you capture the situation well. Life for rape would need to be very aggrevated, involving extreme violence, repeated, extended attacks, holding hostage, and various sick, depraved stuff.

That's why I said Brand is going to get 5 to 10. He may get towards the top end of that tho if as you say the judge decides to make an example of him. Imagine the media outcry if he gets 2 or 3 years!

Ps. I think there are 30-odd prisoners serving whole life tariffs in England & Wales. I think you've got to be a serial mass murderer, way off the scale to get that - Although there are plenty of people locked up in secure mental hospitals that will never be released (in Rampton, Ashworth etc.)

 

[Westminster]

He's probably going to get the upper end of sentencing because he's gone against the establishment. Mainly that was on Covid, lockdowns and vaccination...but you've only got to look at how they treat other whites in this country, Lucy Connolly, Tommy Robinson etc. If you're a lefty like Huw Edwards, or an ethnic you get a free pass.

I suspect you are right. Theres a circus building and Brand will hung out to dry.

The chattering classes will love this - middle aged white bloke does wrong. It's going to be blown up into all sorts of sensational nonsense.

Still I suppose it helps distract attention away from all the heinous crimes that go unpunished when it doesn't fit the narrative.

 

[characternote]

Yeah, i'd only be speculating and obviously wasn't in the room, but I get the impression he's being hard done by.

Even though I've not been a fan of his for some time (ever since he basically started getting into film, and then going all religious and political etc and seemed to change a lot) I actually WAS a fan of his way way back in teh day. I used to listen to his radio2 shows on bbc radio with matt morgan religiously. I think he was hilarious back then tbh.

But what was clear even back then is that he was absolutely a sex pest and taking FULL advantage of his fame. He would talk quite openly (or slightly 'coded' through jokes with his co hosts) about banging the competition winners each week in the disabled bathrooms. And these competition winners were basicalyl always school girls and college girls. Typically 16-19. Now, 16 is perfectly legal here. We don't have Romeo Juliette laws so the fact that brand was like 33 at the time is irrelevant (although surprisingly many commenters who don't know the laws of their own county seem to think that 'that' was also illegal)

His latest allegation is against a 16 year old

Interestingly, one of his co hosts (trevor locke) got arrested for apparently raping a girl at one of these parties at Brands house. Brand even admitted she was very drunk but still defended Locke, so maybe that gives you an idea. Brand said she was still sober enough to be seen to be turning men away who tried their luck with her as his reasoning.
And more recently, another of Brands radio host friends (Tim Westwood) is being investigated for many rapes himself.

I think Brand was just banging an unbelievable amount of very young girls (I think he said 80 per month), and was also quite pushy and aggressive with it, and he just flew too close to the sun! I just think the line is a bit blurry and feel like if we had CCTV of all of his crimes, AND we were living in 2010 and not now, he wouldn't spend a day in prison (BUT I could also be completely wrong and he's actually a 'proper' rapist)

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Yeah, i'd only be speculating and obviously wasn't in the room, but I get the impression he's being hard done by.

Even though I've not been a fan of his for some time (ever since he basically started getting into film, and then going all religious and political etc and seemed to change a lot) I actually WAS a fan of his way way back in teh day. I used to listen to his radio2 shows on bbc radio with matt morgan religiously. I think he was hilarious back then tbh.

But what was clear even back then is that he was absolutely a sex pest and taking FULL advantage of his fame. He would talk quite openly (or slightly 'coded' through jokes with his co hosts) about banging the competition winners each week in the disabled bathrooms. And these competition winners were basicalyl always school girls and college girls. Typically 16-19. Now, 16 is perfectly legal here. We don't have Romeo Juliette laws so the fact that brand was like 33 at the time is irrelevant (although surprisingly many commenters who don't know the laws of their own county seem to think that 'that' was also illegal)

His latest allegation is against a 16 year old

Interestingly, one of his co hosts (trevor locke) got arrested for apparently raping a girl at one of these parties at Brands house. Brand even admitted she was very drunk but still defended Locke, so maybe that gives you an idea. Brand said she was still sober enough to be seen to be turning men away who tried their luck with her as his reasoning.
And more recently, another of Brands radio host friends (Tim Westwood) is being investigated for many rapes himself.

I think Brand was just banging an unbelievable amount of very young girls (I think he said 80 per month), and was also quite pushy and aggressive with it, and he just flew too close to the sun! I just think the line is a bit blurry and feel like if we had CCTV of all of his crimes, AND we were living in 2010 and not now, he wouldn't spend a day in prison (BUT I could also be completely wrong and he's actually a 'proper' rapist)

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[Sega Genesis]

His latest allegation is against a 16 year old

I read today that at the time 16 was of legal age and it was consensual. Not sure if true, just what I read (not on social media) but on major network news. .

The 9 years he received for the 'rape' entailed him and a woman having aggressive consensual sex and he forcefully turned her over and ****** her in the arse which she claims she did NOT consent to. She admitted afterwards she was "young and stupid" and flattered by his advances.

9 years he got for the rape. He received a series of months on the other charges totaling 18 months. Total sentence 10.5.

Again just what I heard on various podcasts hosted by reputable attorneys (former prosecutor Matt Murphy, Megyn Kelly and others) taken from the trial transcript.

 

[Cheeky_James]

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[Sega Genesis]

I read he has some Letter Of Freedom (or somesuch) signed by DJT and is currently in Miami so maybe he’ll be protected from extradition to the UK.

What? He's currently in prison which is where he will be for the next 6.5 years minimum.

He was sentenced today to 10.5 years but in all likelihood will seve 2/3 of that.

 

[Cheeky_James]

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[Cheeky_James]

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[characternote]

I read today that at the time 16 was of legal age and it was consensual. Not sure if true, just what I read (not on social media) but on major network news. .

The 9 years he received for the 'rape' entailed him and a woman having aggressive consensual sex and he forcefully turned her over and ****** her in the arse which she now claims she did NOT consent to. She admitted afterwards she was "young and stupid" and flattered by his advances.

9 years he got for the rape offense. He received a series of months on the other charges totaling 18 months.

Again just what I heard on various podcasts hosted by reputable attorneys (former federal prosecutor Matt Murphy, Megyn Kelly and others) from the trial transcript.

yes. 16 IS still teh age of consent so that's not a legal issue despite brands age. We do'nt have romeo juliette laws like they do in the US. But I think There are still pending cases despite todays sentencing. (one in the US, and some here) - He was in a relationship with a 16 year old girl who the 'expose' on TV was somewhat centered around. Not sure if she is included in the latest batch. That's what I meant

And yes, your info is correct. I actually watched the sentencing on a live stream lol.

TBH, the 18 months thing sounds like nothing at all! like, he touched some girls breasts who he was chatting up, and he put his head in a womans lap ('near' her box) after demaning a massage. Honestly, to me both of that reads like the sort of thing nodbody here goes to prison for!

The actual bad one, if true and what he got the massive sentence for, is, as you say, apparently after banging her consensually, he flipped her over, took off his condom and stuck it in her butt briefly. That got him 9 years!

From watching the sentencing it seemed like the judge hated him! And he was not shy in talking about how Brands treatment after teh rape was an aggrivating factor which i'm guessing added too it all (basically telling her to clean up the blood and stuff from the sheets and just pushing her in a cab whilst she cried, being driven away by brands usual driver who is used to ferrying around brands girls)

Either way, i'm guessing he feels VERY hard-done-by! Especialyl compared too another UK case I read today where a guy added a 12 year old girl on facebook and then went to her house and banged her. He got 2.5 years! (so out in about 15 months)

 

[Bingo-Player]

What I can't understand is how its taken over 20 years to get these convictions when there are so many allegations

Does it not just prove the entire system of law is a total mockery , I mean how can you take a witness statement from someone 20 years after the fact and expect it to be accurate enough to put someone in prison

can anyone seriously say they can give an accurate account of something that happened 15-20 years ago ?

Another issue is that Women are notorious for regretting sexual consent which is fine we all have regrets of people we've been sexually involved with

I am sure some of the women I've had sex with would happily claim assault if I was famous / rich enough and it would receive adequate attention, regret is just basic human nature

I am genuinely interested as to where does the line get drawn between "I got sexually involved with a celebrity because it was exciting for me" and " the celebrity used their power to seduce me and after thinking about it I regret it and didn't want it to happen "

These accusers are not children they are fully grown adult women , Brand was a RENOWNED sexual deviant and misogynist even back at the very start.

Yet some of these accusers were wantonly involving themselves with him....

The complainant of the @nal raping apparently went over with the intention of having sex with him .....

Its interesting to me a lot of these aqqusations came after that big "me too" push on social media , I can imagine a lot of women watching content during that period that made them question their previous sexual encounters which later led into complaints

Ultimately brand probably is guilty of these offences purely based on the fact he was far far too ****y after he had committed them which again will naturally put a bullseye on your head

The fact its taken so long to get a conviction is just an absolute farce

 

[characternote]

I personally think that sort of sentence for 'rape' should be reserved for people like in my above example (who actually only got 2.5 years) or the guys jumping out of bushes at night with a knife and raping someone where it's just clear cut, classic, forceful rape.

This sort of case where it's all essentially hearsay, from many years ago, where the worst of his crimes is, after banging a groupie who'd already done consensual threesomes with him, slipped it in her butt apparently against her will, just doesn't seem the same to me

 

[Sega Genesis]

What I can't understand is how its taken over 20 years to get these convictions when there are so many allegations

Again just what I've read (I'm in the US) but it was after a Russell Brand documentary aired in the UK discussing his sexual activity 25 years ago that these women all came out with with their various sexual allegations.

There is no statute of limitations on sexual assault/rape in the UK.

 

[user2827]

Again just what I've read (I'm in the US) but it was after a Russell Brand documentary aired in the UK discussing his sexual activity 25 years ago that these women all came out with with their various sexual allegations.

There is no statute of limitations on sexual assault/rape in the UK.

I don't really know much about the case, and only know that RB has never shied away from his sexual history. So, if he did rape this woman then ya, he should spend time in prison.

The thing is, this trend where women are making the accusations public after 10+ years, often at politically opportune times, or even that Cornell 7 story. Unless they were sitting on the report from a rape kit, at best is a he said/she said story, and that's generally not enough to throw someone in jail, at least not in free and sane countries. So, then it becomes an issue where you have to look at motives, and then if you find text messages that state the consensual nature of the encounter... this just spits in the face of women who were legitimately raped.

It would seem that the only sensible solutions that aligns with women's WANTS is to be certain that every sexual encounter be recorded for evidence purposes.

 

[MatureDJ]

A wealthy man that is pursuing casual sex should tell his lasses, "here's some money - I have a fetish for nailing prostitutes". If the chick takes the money, she has consented, period. If she were ever to give the money back, though, he will need to evacuate.

Maybe this idea comes so natural to me because I almost exclusively date pros.