Comedian Russell Brand found guilty by UK court of rape and sexual assaults

[Westminster]

Although our 'life' is very different from the US's life sentences.
Ours tend to be reserved for the absolute worst of the worst crimes imaginable. And even THEN they will basically never serve 'life' in prison. Usually 15 or so years. Whereas in the US them guys will literally spend their whole lives in prison. Like a 300 year sentence lol

US will even give actual life sentences for drugs.

I'm not sure whether they're gonna make an example of Brand or not and give him a harsh sentence or not. UK is wildly inconsistent with sentencing. You can literally punch a man to death in a random attack and SERVE like 3 years in some instances.

Rape crimes can also get very low sentences, but it's hard to guess. I'm gonna guess Brand gets like a 7 year sentence! (although here in the UK we ALSO only tend to SERVE a fraction of the sentence, so IF I was right, he'd be back on the streets in maybe 4 years)

Although, there's also cases similar to Brands (where the 'rape' wasn't like a guy jumping out in an alleyway with a knife and raping a teenager) where the sentence was like 3 years. I've only read bits about the specifics but it sounds like it was against girls who had previously consented to sex in some cases. And others was more 'assault' (that they call rape) where maybe he grabbed some girls tits etc. I'm not defending him, but from what I HAVE read, it sounds more like an agressive/pushy guy as opposed to what many think of as 'rape'. It's the whole 'failure to say 'no' doesn't mean 'yes' argument I guess. But I honestly feel like by using this standard then most men over teh age of 30 will likely have to be handing themselves in! Even infield from RSD and stuff would probably be considered rape! I remember a video from an RSD instructor (not one of the main/known instructors) who was making out with a girl at the bar and then suddenly started fingering her and she batted his hand away. THAT is more or less what it sounds like to me. If she decided to make an allegation now, then i guess he'd be going to the big house, too

I imagine Brand genuinely thinks he's innocent and extremely hard done by. Like, this isn't a case of the guy jumping out of the bushes or Bill Cosbying some girl etc.

Will be interesting to see what he gets.

I think you capture the situation well. Life for rape would need to be very aggrevated, involving extreme violence, repeated, extended attacks, holding hostage, and various sick, depraved stuff.

That's why I said Brand is going to get 5 to 10. He may get towards the top end of that tho if as you say the judge decides to make an example of him. Imagine the media outcry if he gets 2 or 3 years!

Ps. I think there are 30-odd prisoners serving whole life tariffs in England & Wales. I think you've got to be a serial mass murderer, way off the scale to get that - Although there are plenty of people locked up in secure mental hospitals that will never be released (in Rampton, Ashworth etc.)

 

[Westminster]

He's probably going to get the upper end of sentencing because he's gone against the establishment. Mainly that was on Covid, lockdowns and vaccination...but you've only got to look at how they treat other whites in this country, Lucy Connolly, Tommy Robinson etc. If you're a lefty like Huw Edwards, or an ethnic you get a free pass.

I suspect you are right. Theres a circus building and Brand will hung out to dry.

The chattering classes will love this - middle aged white bloke does wrong. It's going to be blown up into all sorts of sensational nonsense.

Still I suppose it helps distract attention away from all the heinous crimes that go unpunished when it doesn't fit the narrative.

 

[characternote]

Yeah, i'd only be speculating and obviously wasn't in the room, but I get the impression he's being hard done by.

Even though I've not been a fan of his for some time (ever since he basically started getting into film, and then going all religious and political etc and seemed to change a lot) I actually WAS a fan of his way way back in teh day. I used to listen to his radio2 shows on bbc radio with matt morgan religiously. I think he was hilarious back then tbh.

But what was clear even back then is that he was absolutely a sex pest and taking FULL advantage of his fame. He would talk quite openly (or slightly 'coded' through jokes with his co hosts) about banging the competition winners each week in the disabled bathrooms. And these competition winners were basicalyl always school girls and college girls. Typically 16-19. Now, 16 is perfectly legal here. We don't have Romeo Juliette laws so the fact that brand was like 33 at the time is irrelevant (although surprisingly many commenters who don't know the laws of their own county seem to think that 'that' was also illegal)

His latest allegation is against a 16 year old

Interestingly, one of his co hosts (trevor locke) got arrested for apparently raping a girl at one of these parties at Brands house. Brand even admitted she was very drunk but still defended Locke, so maybe that gives you an idea. Brand said she was still sober enough to be seen to be turning men away who tried their luck with her as his reasoning.
And more recently, another of Brands radio host friends (Tim Westwood) is being investigated for many rapes himself.

I think Brand was just banging an unbelievable amount of very young girls (I think he said 80 per month), and was also quite pushy and aggressive with it, and he just flew too close to the sun! I just think the line is a bit blurry and feel like if we had CCTV of all of his crimes, AND we were living in 2010 and not now, he wouldn't spend a day in prison (BUT I could also be completely wrong and he's actually a 'proper' rapist)

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Yeah, i'd only be speculating and obviously wasn't in the room, but I get the impression he's being hard done by.

Even though I've not been a fan of his for some time (ever since he basically started getting into film, and then going all religious and political etc and seemed to change a lot) I actually WAS a fan of his way way back in teh day. I used to listen to his radio2 shows on bbc radio with matt morgan religiously. I think he was hilarious back then tbh.

But what was clear even back then is that he was absolutely a sex pest and taking FULL advantage of his fame. He would talk quite openly (or slightly 'coded' through jokes with his co hosts) about banging the competition winners each week in the disabled bathrooms. And these competition winners were basicalyl always school girls and college girls. Typically 16-19. Now, 16 is perfectly legal here. We don't have Romeo Juliette laws so the fact that brand was like 33 at the time is irrelevant (although surprisingly many commenters who don't know the laws of their own county seem to think that 'that' was also illegal)

His latest allegation is against a 16 year old

Interestingly, one of his co hosts (trevor locke) got arrested for apparently raping a girl at one of these parties at Brands house. Brand even admitted she was very drunk but still defended Locke, so maybe that gives you an idea. Brand said she was still sober enough to be seen to be turning men away who tried their luck with her as his reasoning.
And more recently, another of Brands radio host friends (Tim Westwood) is being investigated for many rapes himself.

I think Brand was just banging an unbelievable amount of very young girls (I think he said 80 per month), and was also quite pushy and aggressive with it, and he just flew too close to the sun! I just think the line is a bit blurry and feel like if we had CCTV of all of his crimes, AND we were living in 2010 and not now, he wouldn't spend a day in prison (BUT I could also be completely wrong and he's actually a 'proper' rapist)

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[Sega Genesis]

His latest allegation is against a 16 year old

I read today that at the time 16 was of legal age and it was consensual. Not sure if true, just what I read (not on social media) but on major network news. .

The 9 years he received for the 'rape' entailed him and a woman having aggressive consensual sex and he forcefully turned her over and ****** her in the arse which she claims she did NOT consent to. She admitted afterwards she was "young and stupid" and flattered by his advances.

9 years he got for the rape. He received a series of months on the other charges totaling 18 months. Total sentence 10.5.

Again just what I heard on various podcasts hosted by reputable attorneys (former senior prosecutor Matt Murphy, Megyn Kelly and others) from the trial transcript.

 

[Cheeky_James]

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[Sega Genesis]

I read he has some Letter Of Freedom (or somesuch) signed by DJT and is currently in Miami so maybe he’ll be protected from extradition to the UK.

What? He's currently in prison which is where he will be for the next 6.5 years minimum.

He was sentenced today to 10.5 years but in all likelihood will seve 2/3 of that.

 

[Cheeky_James]

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[Cheeky_James]

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[characternote]

I read today that at the time 16 was of legal age and it was consensual. Not sure if true, just what I read (not on social media) but on major network news. .

The 9 years he received for the 'rape' entailed him and a woman having aggressive consensual sex and he forcefully turned her over and ****** her in the arse which she now claims she did NOT consent to. She admitted afterwards she was "young and stupid" and flattered by his advances.

9 years he got for the rape offense. He received a series of months on the other charges totaling 18 months.

Again just what I heard on various podcasts hosted by reputable attorneys (former federal prosecutor Matt Murphy, Megyn Kelly and others) from the trial transcript.

yes. 16 IS still teh age of consent so that's not a legal issue despite brands age. We do'nt have romeo juliette laws like they do in the US. But I think There are still pending cases despite todays sentencing. (one in the US, and some here) - He was in a relationship with a 16 year old girl who the 'expose' on TV was somewhat centered around. Not sure if she is included in the latest batch. That's what I meant

And yes, your info is correct. I actually watched the sentencing on a live stream lol.

TBH, the 18 months thing sounds like nothing at all! like, he touched some girls breasts who he was chatting up, and he put his head in a womans lap ('near' her box) after demaning a massage. Honestly, to me both of that reads like the sort of thing nodbody here goes to prison for!

The actual bad one, if true and what he got the massive sentence for, is, as you say, apparently after banging her consensually, he flipped her over, took off his condom and stuck it in her butt briefly. That got him 9 years!

From watching the sentencing it seemed like the judge hated him! And he was not shy in talking about how Brands treatment after teh rape was an aggrivating factor which i'm guessing added too it all (basically telling her to clean up the blood and stuff from the sheets and just pushing her in a cab whilst she cried, being driven away by brands usual driver who is used to ferrying around brands girls)

Either way, i'm guessing he feels VERY hard-done-by! Especialyl compared too another UK case I read today where a guy added a 12 year old girl on facebook and then went to her house and banged her. He got 2.5 years! (so out in about 15 months)