"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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# closing a chick who's probably heard every stupid ass line ever. Help!

cactus3178

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Okay, I've hit a nice hard brick wall: I want to hook up with a chick who's somewhat famous in my town. Nothing crazy, but she is on www.suicidegirls.com....no, I'm not telling you which one :p

Anyhow, she quit the site, and I emailed her to find out why....long story short - we chatted a bit and bullsh*tted back and forth a couple times...she told she quit because she's got some cool things going on in her life (college, etc) and that she doesn't have the need or want to do the site anymore. I told her I live in Portland too and she told me to come down to her work (a bar/music venue downtown where she is a ****tail waitress) and grabs some beers on Sunday.

She didn't tell me why to come down, for all I know she's just plugging her venue, I don't really know if it was a 'personal' invite.....but I want to hook up with this chick.

I'm sure this girl has been gamed on every possible way, heard every BS line, etc......and I'm not sure about a # close. Hell, I don't even know if she has a BF, it's a total long shot, but I know if I don't try, I'll regret not knowing.


Sh*t. I do believe she's the first girl I've been intimidated by since I started this DJ thing.

Someone please slap me good and hard if this doesn't sound right....I look at this chick and about start drooling. I don't want a relationship out of this at all, but oh, the fun I could have with this girl.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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cactus3178

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Right there in the bar? :D
 

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I think it would help us all make better advice if you told us which one it is.

Make sure you tease her about being a "Suicide Girl"... if... you ... can tease... about.... suicide...

Yes...

*Steps away quietly.*
 

cactus3178

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^ can't really do that....let's just say she's definitely a 8.5+ in anyones book.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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how about this, don't use a line, keep it natural and just be a fun guy to be around??
 

Francisco d'Anconia

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Originally posted by MindOverMatter
how about this, don't use a line, keep it natural and just be a fun guy to be around??
I agree however I wouldn't try anything until you stop being intimidated by her. Intimidation is a symptom of an AFC. Once you realize that she has titz n'@zz like every other woman you'll be alright.

Once that happens saying something like "You're pretty cool, we should do something together," will seem simple as h3ll.
 

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hmm what bar she work at? anyways you should try to put her back in the category of ordinary girl- shes just the same as any other HB. Don't be spitting out lines, just be your C+F self- believe in what you are bringing to the table and see whether after spending some time with her that she still stays as a acceptable girl in your mind...if you don't like who she is then just bow out knowing it wouldnt have worked...why she invite you down? think that she wants to see you- you've done well and shes curious- think back to past successes remember what a DJ you are- refresh your memory and push ahead..confidence.
 

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RiceHapa,


Hey, what's up dude? She works at Dante's, 3d and Burnside. Pretty cool place...if you've never been there before, you should check it out.....tons of HB's every time I've been there (check out http://www.danteslive.com/calendar.html). I'm not sure why she invited me down....could be just being friendly for all I know.

Yeah, I never use 'lines', I think they're stupid....I just mean that I'm sure she's heard just about everything. Ugh.


Francisco d'Anconia,


I see your point.

***

You know what though, f*ck it. It's not like there's not a million other HB's out there in this town....nothing ventured, nothing gained. being rejected is 10x better than not knowing what could have been.


Thanks all for the advice.
 

Francisco d'Anconia

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Originally posted by cactus3178
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You know what though, f*ck it. It's not like there's not a million other HB's out there in this town....nothing ventured, nothing gained. being rejected is 10x better than not knowing what could have been. ..
True marks of a DJ....
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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what I find curious about this logic is that it presupposes that these hot women DON'T get laid, because they've heard it all and apparently reject it all by now.

Your job is not to be some kind of grand innovative master DJ with all the right lines to wheel home the catch. It is just to be appealing to her. If she finds you attractive in any way, then that shouldn't be too difficult as long as your social skills are decent. She'll meet you on the halfway from there, provided she has interest in you. if not, then I doubt some smart pickup line is gonna change that.
 
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