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The only true “god” is nature. All religion is made so that humans don’t destroy each other. If there wasn’t religion the human race would be in chaos (more so)
first religion was nature actually, people venerable nature as a powerfull being, for lack of knowledge and ignorance, nature is powerfull, but today we don't worship it anymore we know how it work and try to bend it to our will with tools, we can predict certains outcomes for now.

If you owned a washing machine and it came with an instruction manual from the manufacturer telling you how to maintain and operate it at peak efficiency, you would have free will to operate it however you like. However, if it broke down, it's on you for not listening to the manufacturer.
IF its the manual from the manufacturer, the problem is diferently of a washing machine when you acquire it it come with said manual, us don't, years later you see several people come to your house trying to sell they manual on what they think and guess its right way in doing so.

plus our working manuals are more linked to science, or you belive your doctor bend on his knee and pray to cure his patients?


also learning history, philosofy, and physics give a better undertanding of the world then a imaginary friend
 

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Every religion told me to be humble and to put myself down **** that.
The seduction community tells you to examine your beliefs and attitudes. It wants you to have the humility of admitting that you were an AFC, put women on a pedestal, and challenges you to change what isn't good enough. Not that different from "religion" in that respect.

also learning history, philosofy, and physics give a better undertanding of the world then a imaginary friend
The Bible mainly concerns itself with spirituality, it's not a physics book.

But since you've plainly come out with it, you're simply saying that there is no God, everything else you're saying derives from that. I believe it is a waste of time to argue over the existence of God, because it can't be proven either way. I'm very familiar with atheistic arguments, and all such discussions tend to be circular, there is never a conclusion that is going to be reached. Whether or not you believe in God is a theo-philosophical choice that each person makes.

It's just depends on what you think about the nature of reality. It's rather disrespectful to dismiss faith with being the equivalent of having an "imaginary friend". There are scientists who theorize that we are living in what is basically a computer simulation. I don't think it's so crazy to believe that there is something more.
 

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The seduction community tells you to examine your beliefs and attitudes. It wants you to have the humility of admitting that you were an AFC, put women on a pedestal, and challenges you to change what isn't good enough. Not that different from "religion" in that respect.


The Bible mainly concerns itself with spirituality, it's not a physics book.

But since you've plainly come out with it, you're simply saying that there is no God, everything else you're saying derives from that. I believe it is a waste of time to argue over the existence of God, because it can't be proven either way. I'm very familiar with atheistic arguments, and all such discussions tend to be circular, there is never a conclusion that is going to be reached. Whether or not you believe in God is a theo-philosophical choice that each person makes.

It's just depends on what you think about the nature of reality. It's rather disrespectful to dismiss faith with being the equivalent of having an "imaginary friend". There are scientists who theorize that we are living in what is basically a computer simulation. I don't think it's so crazy to believe that there is something more.
but your spirit is what is in your mind, so its your mind, only diference is you want to belive on something else, I don't waste time on that, I accept there is nothing I can about it, and also the world is chaos, there is no meaning, no order, everything happens for no reason, even when you try to manipulate certain events things can go sideways because of a random event you couldn't predict

and really I don't belive in god, if I did I really would think he was or a evil one or a extremely egoistical one, but I don't try to deal with godhood of one or severals, I work with I can see and religion is that one with like I said was made as a mass control tool.

funny I did see some cheap films who did just that used a religion to keep they war going, with funny enough was done several time over the history, feeding hate against someone else because they have no soul or sold they soul to the devil, or infidels whodon't belive in our god, thoug it can bring some insight on people psycology, but I never it being it as a good thing, the best, a clutch to people stay alive
 

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Captain Kirk layin' it down lol.

What a thread: a combination of senior citizen pansies still drinking their own salty tears reminiscing about micro-aggressions and pseudo traumas from middle school and emo's with a giant collection of butt plugs braying about the latest bisexual fattie they met at an LGBTQ protest who let them lick their bacterial infested a55hole.
 
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you know you just returned to never disobey god's will, mass control again.




yes free will, but everything is still on gods plan, so he gave you free will to obey what he want, that is hardly freedom, you can't say god have a plan to everyone and then toss the free will, you are just saying you need to obey and never question
It is indeed God's plan to give humanity freewill and with that comes freedom of choice.

This is empowerment.

If u r empowered then it means you r also responsible towards ALL actions derived from it.

Don't blame God when things turn sour since the choices are yours to begin with.
 

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While it was written a long time before the "church" it certainly had to pass editorial approval by "church" leaders.

And the dudes who "edited" all the books that went into the bible were politically connected Romans.

And you don't need to specifically say exactly what you want the reader to infer from the passage.

Dale Carnegie even described this as, "you can get anybody to do anything so long as they think it was their idea."

So, it could be argued that that passage was included to sway the readers intentions.

Also, even though no church may have existed at that time of writing, religious leaders, keepers of sacred texts, etc. have always had huge amounts of power over the population.

So I can easily see how that particular passage would easily have two simultaneous meanings, one that sounds like good common sense, and another to create a easily manageable population.

That's the kind of thing all religious leaders are good at.

However, if you are a "word of god" type guy, you'll tend to believe all sacred texts are divinely inspired and therefore infallible.

If you are a skeptic of authority, you'll see all sacred texts as means to the end of easier population control.

I've read some scholars who postulate the book of Job was re-written, had different endings added, etc., to better reflect the Jewish history particularly in the face of large setbacks.

Those who study Chinese mythology say it's hard to tell the difference between organic myths and ones that were co-opted to help the state rule more effectively.

It's hard to argue that religious/mythical texts don't have a certain element if population control built into them.
I agree but I'm still going back into religiosity.
This Sunday night via web broadcast until the onsite worship starts.
Too important to me not to go because I'm nervous about being mislead.
 
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There are obviously people who use organized religion to their benefit, but I'm talking about spirituality. Not everyone approaches theophilosophical ideas with an aim to manipulate others, or to be manipulated. Ecclesiastes is a good read, I would think even an atheist would admit that.


You may have been taught that, but those beliefs are certainly not reflective of Christianity. Quite the opposite, if anything. You seem to have run into some of the people Alvafe has, who are twisting things to their own agenda.
Well zekko its the status quo these days
 

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This is a hard reality, but plenty of Christian dudes in your church were alphas hitting ***** like you can't believe. You can't really blame the church or religion, it was just a template for your own simpness. Get over it move on, be a man.
 

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This is a hard reality, but plenty of Christian dudes in your church were alphas hitting ***** like you can't believe. You can't really blame the church or religion, it was just a template for your own simpness. Get over it move on, be a man.
Yea, a story I heard was the singles ministry organizer banging all the ladies. This church has like several hundred singles. So it's the same thing that goes on, just structured and more of a "positive" place than a strip club or bar.
 

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I read the Bible until this dude stole this blonde girl from me. I was only 15. The teaching in the Bible do not help you to get the woman you want! It even goes against hiring hookers, while many priest are fvcking kids..... I eventually discarded it. However, I am still believe in God. He gives opportunities with women, he allows me to have a decent job, and life. Women don't want to date a bum. I also see how people create social circles in the church to meet people. Some use religion to manipulate women. I am wondering how Warren Jeff did it. How I can become a poligamist. I should move to Utah first...
Ironically enough, the bible is more alpha than the most alpha red pill awareness youtube or DJ.

Today, church and Christianity pander to girl power. Volume of feminism and simp to a single mom and her bastard rug rats from diff men.

DISGUSTING!

Common sense isn't too common. You can be Muslim or Christian and absolutely obliterate girls. My mate is a Muslim, alpha as ****kkk and he humps everything. Its hilarious.
 

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OP the bible cannot do anything per se unless the boy or man is already inclined in that direction.

For example, if a man is inherently evil, he could read the entire Bible, claim to understand it and then proceed to enforce a mass extinction of a race or city just because the "Bible" thought him so.

And for a man who is inherently saintly, he could read the entire Bible, claim to understand it and then proceed to preach goodness or even influencing countries to apply good practices for humanity.

See the difference?

BOOM BABY! +1

THIS. Do you think that the Bible would alter stalin or Hitler?

How about Hanibal? Hanibal would eat babies between bible verses just cause.
 
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Ironically enough, the bible is more alpha than the most alpha red pill awareness youtube or DJ.

Today, church and Christianity pander to girl power. Volume of feminism and simp to a single mom and her bastard rug rats from diff men.

DISGUSTING!

Common sense isn't too common. You can be Muslim or Christian and absolutely obliterate girls. My mate is a Muslim, alpha as ****kkk and he humps everything. Its hilarious.
Also Deez on the flip side you can be a Christian and not chase the puzz and make women your pinnacle and still be alpha.
Imo it all comes down to "your house" and what you allow through "the gate"
 

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Also Deez on the flip side you can be a Christian and not chase the puzz and make women your pinnacle and still be alpha.
Imo it all comes down to "your house" and what you allow through "the gate"
100 +1

There's a fine line between poozy beggar and pursuing. Getting baeeeees and chasing.

Game has taught me a lot of life, about critical thinking, and problem solving.

With respect to the big 3 religion, Muslim's are the last hold out on girl power and sloot gonna sloot but as rollo points out, it is the next to be target practice on.


One of my mates in London is Muslim. He said, not a single word of the book has been changed but, WAMEN are trying.

If something is the word of God, you change a word, its not the word of God anymore or so he said. I concur. Its blasphemy.

Much of it is.


I'd add, for men such as yourself who values marriage and God; in the old testament, Issac and Rebecca married in a tent.

Man + woman + God.

Not state. No free money nor pandering. I have no quarrel with that. Its skiing down cawk mount and play house + divorce rape as the milk goes bad.
 

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religion is religion, saying church is just a slang for keeping the power to the religion, with is always used for control, yes avoid extremes, follow god, btw who had teh word of god in hands? who guided the people? a extreme could be not following the religion, another extreme would be getting knowledge the religion belive is bad, the simple matter is follow and know your place
I think it's a matter of how YOU take it, mentally.
If you see it as advice or wisdom, its different than seeing it as law and obedience/disobedience.
IMO, this is what the church needs to demonstrate more. I think people would be more trusting in the word.
If you present it with an air of Obedience, that all must fit into a neat little shell, it makes some people shallow, and some spiteful. That's just human nature.
But if, instead its presented as proceeding through life with a level head, and as not caving to group influence- as opposed to being led like cattle into a chute it will be better received and understood.
Hope I'm making some kind of sense with this.
 

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Yea, a story I heard was the singles ministry organizer banging all the ladies. This church has like several hundred singles. So it's the same thing that goes on, just structured and more of a "positive" place than a strip club or bar.
I wouldn't call that "positive" since single's ministries usually rally up people to wait until marriage before having sex and make a big deal out of it and to avoid porn and fapping, etc.... I've also been to single's ministries in the past and didn't really meet or connect with anyone there, and in this regard, I've never met anyone in the church. With a strip club or bar there is no false pretense involved that people are really waiting to have sex until they are married, or keeping chaste while that is occurring behind the scenes. That aspect is very toxic because of the hypocrisy involved in the whole thing. There are countless times that I have felt ignored or "just a number" in Christian singles groups when I was younger. It's only positive if you ignore that women are there and focus on the Bible.
 

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I think it's a matter of how YOU take it, mentally.
If you see it as advice or wisdom, its different than seeing it as law and obedience/disobedience.
IMO, this is what the church needs to demonstrate more. I think people would be more trusting in the word.
If you present it with an air of Obedience, that all must fit into a neat little shell, it makes some people shallow, and some spiteful. That's just human nature.
But if, instead its presented as proceeding through life with a level head, and as not caving to group influence- as opposed to being led like cattle into a chute it will be better received and understood.
Hope I'm making some kind of sense with this.
yeah huge necro.

but, religon per see does not goes for teaching, they say teaching, but if you disobey you will suffer a penalty, normally hell, religion per see force they devotees to "teach" they children since its easier to children learn and not question even more if are they parents, plus even in they book its not wisdow, is manipulation, telling most to do what they say so you will be rewarded in a afterlife
 
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