penkitten
Master Don Juan
NEXT!!!!!!!
what more shall i say?
what more shall i say?
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
You are right TM.. I totally glossed over this on first read.ThunderMaverick said:Living with some one is like the internet - serious business. It's a bit life changing. He doesn't need to be taking in my opinion a dumb risk.
Two people + Different Goals = :crazy:I have known that she wants a relationship for a long time, and although I know that we would probably never work out long term, I have entertained the possibility of getting together with her.
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
Yea, we all went out, and that was another part of what kind of set this off. She got a little upset that another girl I know (who I dated her best friend in the past) showed up. I let her have her space and chatted with the other girl for awhile, then when I went over to her she was all up on me asking "Why is SHE here?"ketostix said:Str8up, I'm confused on whether you and her did end up meeting that night.
normally i dont jump on or approve of the your a female iqqi so you are giving typical female answers but on this i feel as though you are. while it is your right to do so it is mine to call it as i see it too.iqqi said:So this chick who you supposedly care about, and have been intimate with before, tells you in no uncertain terms she doesn't want sex, BEFORE she even gets in your bed, and she even goes on to explains herself:
And in turn you:
And you wonder why:
Some of you take things WAY to seriously here, not every word out of a chicks mouth is lies and games. And yes, maybe you can change her mind, but it sounded to me like she was certainly not bullsh!tting you when she said no sex. And I doubt you'd be changing her mind now.
Nope, I wasn't just taking her side.drmeathead said:normally i dont jump on or approve of the your a female iqqi so you are giving typical female answers but on this i feel as though you are. while it is your right to do so it is mine to call it as i see it too.
i see your advice as taking the female side and not selling this girl down the river as you should. this young woman has lost interest here for some reason. perhaps in men in general after the relationship. perhaps she is looking elsewhere. best advice i ever read on here: she may not be ****ing you, she may not be ****ing me, but she is ****ing somebody. (i ve added) and let that somebody help her deal with her issues and hear about her day.
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
What a load of CRAP.iqqi said:She probably felt she needed to explain that there would be no sex, because they have had sex before, and knew there was a good chance STR8UP would be expecting it. And in her mind, she KNOWS that isn't what she wants right now.
No, STR8UP expects a woman to be a WOMAN and not play the sex card for a childish reason. She's 22. She is an ADULT. Grown people don't play these stupid ass kid games, unless they are trying to gain control of a situation.STR8UP in return took that as she was playing games, which is (IMO) paranoid and all the way AFC. Sounds to me like not only was it cool of her to disclose up front something like that, but thoughtful of her to say why. After all, STR8UP is the one who offered her his place to stay at. All he really did here was reinforce the idea that most men expect sex from supposed friendly favors.
I offered my place to be able to spend time with her, and she started making "rules". That's a power play, and I don't bend to a power play. Had she approached me DIFFERENTLY, I might have responded differently. But for her to say point blank "NO SEX" is her laying down the law and that isn't the way a relationship should start, ESPECIALLY when we have been intimate in the past.But I also think that it would be wrong to expect that. Simply put, STR8UP should not offer his place to a woman, with the intentions that she is going to have sex with him.
You know, had she NOT came out and said directly "NO SEX" this might be a different story. But for her to start making rules before we even get together.....I'm not feelin it.He should offer his place, only if he means exactly that. If he wants it to be so cut and dry, then he should have said from the get go, "hey suzie Q, you can stay at my place if you sleep with me."
Typical female response.If you are going to expect sex from something you give (money dinner place to stay opening a car door conversation whatever), then you might as well stick with escorts, where there are terms and conditions set up front.
Any man who is indeed a MAN knows that this is undeniably TRUE. Women generally DO NOT go for extended periods without being sexually active.BTW, this is actually bullsh!t:
she may not be ****ing you, she may not be ****ing me, but she is ****ing somebody.
STR8UP said:What a load of CRAP.
Want sex, DON'T want sex....WTF??????
It doesn't work that way iqqi.
A woman is either INTO you and wants to bang the hell outa you, or she's NOT into you and simply wants attention, or she's INTO YOU, but for some reason feels as if she has to play games to set things to her advantage.
Seems like you have serious power issues, like someone ELSE (a guy) suggested.STR8UP said:What a load of CRAP.
Want sex, DON'T want sex....WTF??????
It doesn't work that way iqqi.
A woman is either INTO you and wants to bang the hell outa you, or she's NOT into you and simply wants attention, or she's INTO YOU, but for some reason feels as if she has to play games to set things to her advantage. ... rant rant rant...
"Thinking with their heads"....loliqqi said:Some women think with their heads and not their... holes (good one, iq, good one!).
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.