Charles Manson, Dead @ 83

[Sho-No-Luv]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/20/obituaries/charles-manson-dead.amp.html

 

[Billtx49]

Nobody misses him. I for one am sorry he took so many impressionable young adult followers that lacked an ingrained moral background with him. Ruined their lives…
A son of a hoe with an unknown father. An early sign of a declining society.…

 

[Billtx49]

Man he is a role model in terms of game. If you could be as influential as him but not evil just imagine you could do anything.

Who cares ? Game is not about cult like brainwashing. Trying to grasp for something good out of an evil situation is always a losing encounter. Meanwhile, I’ll achieve semi-god status in my next life…

 

[AJ84]

I don't think he had game. It was the 60s. Anti- establishment, anti-war, anti-conformity was growing fast and the so called American Dream was transitioning so young people's minds were ripe for the picking. He just got lucky, so to speak. Many of his followers were middle and upper middle class bored college students rebelling against 'the Man'.

He was a hateful coward who used his followers to attack the very people (rich, famous) he wanted acceptance from.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Not all murders are equal. The president of the Phillipines has openly bragged about murdering suspected criminals when he was a cop, and he got elected president.

But you kill a hot, blonde, very fvckable young actress - or play a part in that crime - and the cops are going to notice.

 

[zekko]

in any event, manson was 5'2, not exactly a stunner and sported a swastika on his head. the guy had harems of women by the time he was of juvie and had these women do whatever he wanted.

but we have guys here posting daily about how their looks, lack of money, or whatever self imposed issue they have is holding them back with women.

I'm not sure we can draw any "game" conclusions from what Manson was doing. He had some sort of weird, cult-like influence over susceptible people, not sure how that happens. Maybe a combination of charisma and a void that needs filled in the people who follow him.

I often think about what Neil Young had to say about Manson. He met him at Beach Boys Dennis Wilson house in the '60s, when Manson was trying to be a rock star. He hung out with the "family", and said that the girls there were totally focused on Charlie, and didn't even notice Neil or Dennis. And Neil said that was unusual, because they had some fame at the time. He said the murders because he didn't get to be a rock star, so he started wiping people out. Reminds me a little of George Sodini, couldn't get what he wanted, so he lashed out.

Manson was never convicted of actually killing anyone himself, but there are rumors that he had and just ever got caught.

 

[zekko]

there didnt have to be anything wrong with the people he brainwashed. people are scammed and tricked every single day.

We're talking about people who were commanded by Manson to commit horrifically brutal murders, shooting and stabbing people to death, including a pregnant woman who was begging for her baby's life. I think that goes a little beyond "social dynamics". Being scammed is one thing, but no, I don't think that well adjusted, mentally healthy people are going to follow the suggestions of some psychopath to that extent.

 

[zekko]

youre saying its easier to believe that most of the women (and many men) he dealt with were not normal, mentally stable/healthy rather than believe he was just that charming and manipulative?

I was saying it was probably a little of both. I'm guessing he filled some sort of need or want in them. Takes two to tango.

 

[Desdinova]

He didn't need game. He can get a hottie just by being in jail for the rest of his existence.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-health-thwarted-attempt-visit-hospital.html

Afton Burton, 29, known as 'Star,' first met Charles Manson, 82, after she started writing to him as a teen and later moved to Corcoran, California to be closer to him

 

[Von]

Charles Manson was the prime example of the dark side of the peace and love and drugs of the 1960s

He is a guy who grew up in prison, foster house, juvenile court.

In 1967, he asked the court to jail him for life because prison was is only home. Court said no

In 1969, he became world famous for his crime. Charles Manson was also the drug dealer of Neil Young, Beatles, beach boys, many high rank of Hollywood and music business. Like Roman Polanski too (the husband of the pregnant murdered blond, who can't set off in the USA for pedophile charges)

Charles Manson shows what power and influence can attract.

Desdinova link is just a tip on the iceberg.

Who gets marriage/wedding proposals the most in society? killers/murderers like Manson

They get hundreds of letters a year from random girls they don't know.

So girls are attracted to killers? How nuts are they? Note: when talking about attracting female. We don't talk of the quality but the quantity.

Here's some stats:

1) why they kill?
37% is for the pleasure of the power feeling
30% is for money (another power symbol)
16% anger

2) how they kill?
44% with guns
22% with strangling by hands
15% with knife

3) what skin colors?
52% white
40% black (raised to 60% since the 90s)
7% Latinos hyspanic

4) gender and age
89% are male
27.5 years old average

5) most an iq of 95 intellectual (so above average)

Manson scored 109 of his iq

Most lack empathy but are smart and we're child abused

Any way, what he did was unforgivable, but you can't deny that power attract. And this guy influence.
Hence, cult status

 

[zekko]

if you want to say the girls that took part in the actual murders were damaged goods, i can accept that. but it wasnt just those girls. this guy had more than a lifetime of women dedicated to him throughout his life. even a world famous musician in his prime invited him to stay at his place because of the amount of women that flocked to him.

you cant discredit seduction because of who did it and to what ends.

I never said he wasn't charming, although I have no interest in Manson's dating life. But there's a big difference between someone inviting you to stay at their house and plunging a knife into someone 28 times. That goes a little beyond seduction and "interacting with people", IMO.

 

[guru1000]

If a murderer played chess well, then he's still:

1) A murderer;
2) A good chess player.

Some of your need to remove your biases from your free thought to deepen your analytical thinking.

Yes, Manson was a murderer (or conspired to murder). Fact.
Yes, Manson had great "game." Fact.

Recognize these material distinctions in "good" or "bad" people, and you will be smarter in life overall.