Can guys over 30 get a high lay count? My thoughts and experiences.

[Ugly bastard]

Well if you look like Brad Pitt or Leonardo Di Caprio and you’re over 30, you will have a high lay count.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Approaching strangers and turning it into something meaningful is an extremely difficult path, even for men with at least adequate social skills. Only swipe apps and sending DMs are more difficult.

If it was easy, everyone would be doing it. However, once you get decent at it, it becomes an almost unfair advantage and doors open for you that otherwise would not have opened. The thing with social circle, and I say this as someone who has recently become involved with some elite ones, is that they are often limited in number. They are great for getting into LTRs but if you want to raise your notch count, forget about it.

Dating apps are great if you can afford a great photographer and know how to game the algorithm. I'd say they are the most efficient ones.

Cold approach, when done right, is the most unfair part of game out there. You can get girls most guys can't and get girls that would have been otherwise out of reach for you.

 

[SW15]

If it was easy, everyone would be doing it. However, once you get decent at it, it becomes an almost unfair advantage and doors open for you that otherwise would not have opened. The thing with social circle, and I say this as someone who has recently become involved with some elite ones, is that they are often limited in number. They are great for getting into LTRs but if you want to raise your notch count, forget about it.

Dating apps are great if you can afford a great photographer and know how to game the algorithm. I'd say they are the most efficient ones.

Cold approach, when done right, is the most unfair part of game out there. You can get girls most guys can't and get girls that would have been otherwise out of reach for you.

Most men achieve disappointing results in their efforts to approach strangers. Neil Strauss was an outlier.

I think more men want some sort of longer term relationship than the player-seducer lifestyle.

Many men can live off a social circle that they built because their parents didn't move them around childhood and they stayed in the same city as adults. These guys live off whatever prospects they can get out of their social circle, marry one, and then raise children. These guys are the drone worker bees at white collar offices and occasionally blue collar workers. These aren't the guys who appear on SoSuave or other seduction forums.

There are guys that get LTRs from dating websites and apps after much frustration. Same with bar approaching too. It does happen. A lot of the guys who do that end up dropping their standards and settling because that's better than being incel or borderline incel.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Most men achieve disappointing results in their efforts to approach strangers. Neil Strauss was an outlier.

I think more men want some sort of longer term relationship than the player-seducer lifestyle.

Many men can live off a social circle that they built because their parents didn't move them around childhood and they stayed in the same city as adults. These guys live off whatever prospects they can get out of their social circle, marry one, and then raise children. These guys are the drone worker bees at white collar offices and occasionally blue collar workers. These aren't the guys who appear on SoSuave or other seduction forums.

There are guys that get LTRs from dating websites and apps after much frustration. Same with bar approaching too. It does happen. A lot of the guys who do that end up dropping their standards and settling because that's better than being incel or borderline incel.

Most men achieve bad results because they are just bad at cold approach.

It is a numbers game but you can rig the numbers in your favor. IMO, it is an unfair advantage once done right.

 

[devilkingx2]

Most men achieve disappointing results in their efforts to approach strangers. Neil Strauss was an outlier.

It's because you need to approach an absurd amount of girls to get good at it.

cold approach is lower investment than night game but higher return than online dating.

 

[SW15]

Most men achieve bad results because they are just bad at cold approach.

Do you think it is easier to get better at app swiping and social media DMing or cold approach?

If someone gets good at app swiping and arranging dates via DM, then they will still need people skills for their first dates. Even with adequate social skills, it is easy to rack up "one date, no sex, no second date" type dates from the swipe apps and the DMs.

I don't believe in app swiping at all.

The skill set needed to be a good approacher vs. a good first and second date performer is slightly different, but there's some overlap.

Team in-person social skills here.

It is a numbers game but you can rig the numbers in your favor. IMO, it is an unfair advantage once done right.

It is and isn't a numbers game.

I would say that if you have at least adequate social skills, it does become a numbers game to find enough volume to find the right people. It's possible to cut down on that volume if only approaching women who give good IOIs. IOI giving is a fading art with Millennials and now with Gen Z. I even noticed that older Millennial women were getting worse at body language signaling in the early 2010s as compared to the mid-2000s.

Most men can't rely on IOIs alone. I prefer getting IOIs but have approached without IOIs.

Someone with poor social skills like Eliot Rodger would not have been able to do enough approaches to find interest. Rodger did very few approaches in his lifetime. If a man lacks key fundamental skills, increasing volume isn't going to make any difference.

For most men (except the top tier), it's a matter of how well they can withstand rejections until they find some results. Enough quantity of soft rejections, IHABs, etc. will be traumatizing and discourage some men.

It's because you need to approach an absurd amount of girls to get good at it.

cold approach is lower investment than night game but higher return than online dating.

Agree. When you use the term "cold approach", I think you are referring to non-bar cold approaching. Plenty of men approach strangers in bars and nightclubs, which I call cold approach. Cold approach can be done in bars, nightclubs, at random events, non-bar retail venues, and even after fitness classes and co-ed sports league games.