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Don Juan
How many days do you guys usually wait to call a girl for a second date?
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Date went well. Hugged at the beginning, hugged and kissed (on cheek) at the end. Good convo with TONS of C/F that she loved. This girl is HOT but I don't think she even realises it (she showed me her permit from July and she looked like a totally different person). In fact, she told me she actually thinks she looks like a boy.Originally posted by JC Jerkson
DAFS.
In other words... do a fvcking search nextime.
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It depends on well the date went. Calibration will tell you. When you're in the field you will be able to FEEL when you should call her.
But since you just getting your feet wet I'd say wait a few days to a week.
JC Jerkson
Not a bad idea. Tuesday it is. Thanks for the help.Originally posted by JC Jerkson
Actually you fvcked up my whole week. :box:
Call her on Tuesday night. That will give you some good conversation. Ask her about what she did for Halloween. Tease her about her costume whatever it is.
JC Jerkson
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
That's a good idea however this weekend in particular is Halloween weekend so I would think calling a girl even on a Sunday night would not be good as that when the parties are happening. And since Monday is Halloween, calling her that night may be a bad idea as well so Tuesday seems like the best bet for me in this case.Originally posted by Vincent Freeman
I usually wait 2-3 days or the Friday of that coming weekend. Lets me get in there before she makes other plans. You don't want to wait too long because it might seem your not interested. Go with your gut!
Originally posted by JC Jerkson
DAFS.
In other words... do a fvcking search nextime.
JC Jerkson
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
I'm new to this and I rather play it safe so I'll wait till Tuesday. She was giving me lots of those positive female body language signs I have read about but nevertheless, I'll play it safe this time.Originally posted by Mr. Cardio
sparklemotion its hard because most guys dont understand ATTRACTION. These rules are not what attracts women, the rules keep them attracted, its the fact that we complete THEM, meaning women, thats the reason for the attraction. We complete them through our dominant behaviors, and dominant maleness, that is what makes her horny, is men would simply start acting more masculine, and dominant then there would not be all these woman problems because you will be seen as teh prize.....I dont think he protrayed these dominant male qualities, because if he did, he would not come here asking when to call, when to shyt, when to piss, etc, etc. When you get in your position as a man, women get in theres, and that means they submit to you...bottom line, point blank, why is that so hard. these rules, mean nothing unless the attractive guy is using them. Why wait til after halloween, if she is attracted, and if he was the dominant male, he can fvck her everyday until and after halloween........