"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Call or be called?

What works best for you?

  • Call her

    Votes: 11 55.0%
  • She calls you

    Votes: 9 45.0%

  • Total voters
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S. Pryor

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Now I know more than likely you guys would rather get the woman's number but I also know that some of you give your number to the woman. I've read about both sides of the argument and there are fair points being made to both. I read that if you get her number you won't be waiting by the phone and you'd be taking action! On the other side of the coin, Tariq Nasheed says that he prefers to give out his number and tells the woman to call at a certain time so you KNOW she's interested. He says he doesn't like getting numbers because you'd be calling her like "remember me from XYZ?" If you don't know who Tariq Nasheed is then Google him. He's got a lot of good insight on dealing with women. Before I was hip to Tariq, there was this one time a friend of mine asked me for my number. I had known her for close to three years so I gave it to her. She never did call and I didn't believe she would. Even though I knew she wouldn't, it kinda threw me for a loop because it didn't make sense to ask for a number you were never going to call. But then again you know..... I said all of this to ask which one has been more effective for you?
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Taste

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S. Pryor said:
Now I know more than likely you guys would rather get the woman's number but I also know that some of you give your number to the woman. I've read about both sides of the argument and there are fair points being made to both. I read that if you get her number you won't be waiting by the phone and you'd be taking action! On the other side of the coin, Tariq Nasheed says that he prefers to give out his number and tells the woman to call at a certain time so you KNOW she's interested. He says he doesn't like getting numbers because you'd be calling her like "remember me from XYZ?" If you don't know who Tariq Nasheed is then Google him. He's got a lot of good insight on dealing with women. Before I was hip to Tariq, there was this one time a friend of mine asked me for my number. I had known her for close to three years so I gave it to her. She never did call and I didn't believe she would. Even though I knew she wouldn't, it kinda threw me for a loop because it didn't make sense to ask for a number you were never going to call. But then again you know..... I said all of this to ask which one has been more effective for you?
Ultimately it doesn't matter. It's about balance. Especially with high quality women, they want you to meet them half way or they too will never reach out due to living busy lives.

When I exhange numbers with a girl, sometimes I'll just forget to ring her because I'm super busy and she'll end up calling me or sometimes I'll be bored and give her call and plan a meet up. Either way, it doesn't make you appear weak by calling her. It's just another form of communication. What makes a guy appear weak is calling her ALL the time. It is just like when a guy won't leave her alone in person. If you don't "need" something out of her, you'll find that the conversation will just naturally pan out and it won't matter how much you communicate with her because it won't be all the time.
 

Ease

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You always get the phone number, and u always phone first.
 
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It's EASIER if she calls you, but since most women that have just met you don't have high IL; you're going to have to make the first call. Don't give her your number when you meet her, instead get her number, wait a few days, and ring it.
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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Trader

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Guys on top.

Any questions?
 

ThatMysteriousGuy

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THIS IS ABOUT GIRLS I DON'T KNOW BUT FROM ONE OR TWO CONTACTS NOT ONES WHOM I'VE KNOWN SOCIALLY.

My problem with her calling initially is that it raises the likelyhood 10x+ that you're going to have a girl who doesn't have much of a life at all. That's not always true, but it's more often than not and raises the chances significantly that I'll end up quickly dumping her because she'll try to isolate me all to herself and that's not going to happen. I don't like to go out with girls who don't have their own life going on because I always encourage independence.

Unless you've created a very high IL yourself though your personality, the girl calling will likely be a huge problem. Those girls tend to be the ones that get a high IL all on their own because they're really needy.

Now, that doesn't include girls who call back after my initial call where there wasn't an answer. I don't leave an answering message so if she had a high IL it will get bumped a bit by her wondering what I was calling about (date? does he like me? am I missing out on something? blah blah blah). It's just fine if she calls in that case.

OTOH, if it's a girl from my social circle or ones I encounter a lot while doing my normal life stuff. We've encountered each other a bunch of times and she's comfortable with me, her calling is not problem at all. I've already had time to evaluate her personality.

Then I'm not giving up the lead, she knows me somewhat and is chasing in a healthy way.
 

I.A.F.Y.B.

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You ask for the number. You make the phone call. After you call her she will eventually know your phone number. Thus, giving her the chance to call you sometime.

So, in order for that to happen... You have to be seeing her only once or twice a week. The time you arent seeing her you are busy being a man and doing things. Which, will end up you becoming a "mystery" and a "challenge". Making her go crazy thinking about you and wanting more of you! Allowing you to hold the power and remain in control of your life.
 

The Grey Fox

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get her number and call her a few days later, or exchange numbers leave it a few extra days and call (if she hasn't taken it into her own hands and called you first, it does happen sometimes).
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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ARrocket

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Well if she calls you, that means she's interested. If you call her, she's not always interested. So obviously, the woman doing the calling "works better."

But even if she's interested, she might not call. So you're better off doing the calling.
 
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