"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Bumped into a plate whilst approching others

wonderer

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I bumped into a plate of mine when I was cold approaching, she didnt see it happen but convo went like this:

Her: come in for a drink with me and my friend
Me: whos your friend?
Her: its a girl dont worry not boys!
Me: It doesnt matter if its boys! we're meeting girls, call me later

I then left, she was very close to me and kino'ing me. I didnt want to seem available to her and buy into her frame. I'm now at home, havent messaged her or heard anything. I am planning on taking her out wednesday, 1 on 1, no friends.

Was this the right way to go?

edit: she is texting me now asking how I am, I havent responded yet
 
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"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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hockeyfreak79

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You care too much, it would have been better if she did see you. It's not a crime to be social.

You make it sound like she caught you doing something wrong. She's just a plate, right? Or maybe a prospect? It's probably better you left, I'm not sure why you'd think you'd lose frame. Keep the mental masterbation down, you handled it fine.
 

RangerMIke

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Women seeing you with other women is a good thing. @Fireballs is correct. Women are not men, while a man might respond negatively and aggressively to jealousy, it actually makes women nicer. If she's not quite sure about you, it actually relaxes her that you have options because she will believe you will not become a clueless creepy stalker. If she really likes you, she is going to spend more effort to get your attention.

The worst that you would get is women that completely back off and away from you because the lack confidence... you really don't want women like this anyway because they are the ones that get fat and lazy when you are in a LTR. You want a woman that is going to work for you.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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l__i__l

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Obviously there is no value in you tagging along on a girly afternoon with them.
No it's a great way to meet other women, which would have likely yielded more success than cold approaching on the street.
Don't pass an opportunity to infiltrate social networks.
 

BigM

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That is a plus in her eyes. I don't know why you think about it to post here. It's just a plate. Also no need to avoid socialization, do what you want.
 

marmel75

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Why do you care?
Why do you feel you've done something wrong?
Why do you think this is some special situation?

These are questions you need to ask yourself.
 
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