"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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bpd vs bipolar

tesla8520

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This is simply a curiosity. I don't expect many people to be interested.

That said, there's been a lot of discussion about borderline disorder, but very little about bipolar disorder.

Bipolar disorder is a mood disorder, which involves what are called mood "episodes." An episode is a period of time, at least several days but usually 1-2 weeks or more, in which there are significant and persistent changes in overall mood compared to a normal, well-functioning baseline. A depressive episode is the one most familiar to most people, because it essentially has all the characteristics of major depressive disorder (in fact, MDD is also known as "unipolar depression," as opposed to bipolar). The other pole is what's called a manic episode, during which the person with the disorder experiences at least several days of very elevated or expansive mood, though often very unstable; They also typically have increased general activity, initiate unrealistic plans, and act very impulsively. They may also be paranoid and develop severe delusions, and typically feel as if their need for sleep has decreased. Sometimes, mania feels GREAT for sufferers while they're in a manic state, and they can put themselves in real danger due to the resulting delusions and impulsivity.

Borderline personality disorder is somewhat less understood, and while the DSM has a fairly stable description, there's a bit more criticism and some alternative ideas. But, as we currently understand it, BPD is a personality disorder: while we believe bipolar disorder is caused by problems with brain function that lead to the emergence of mood episodes, BPD is more related to habits, relationships, and cognition. To simplify, we think of bipolar disorder as more related to the "brain" and borderline is more related to the "mind." Characteristics of BPD include a lack of a strong sense of self, extreme fear of abandonment (and concomitant extreme reactions to real or perceived abandonment), unstable emotional reactions, and impulsivity. People with BPD tend to rapidly alternate between emotional extremes, lacking a stable middle ground between despair and euphoria, and often seem to change personality on a whim. Unlike the mood episodes of bipolar disorder, which typically last at least several days, mood swings in BPD can be extremely rapid, with sufferers going from euphoria to despair and back again, sometimes in the space of a single conversation.

If you've read the difference, now you have a general understanding of what we're talking about.

So, how do we distinguish between a woman and the other?
Have you ever had relationships with women who have had bipolar disorder and women who have had BPD, and how did they differ?
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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@tesla8520 "So, how do we distinguish between a woman and the other?"

Unless we're shrinks working a client, we DON'T!!! Instead, we inquire as to whether or not a gal brings more discord than peace into our lives, then act accordingly
 

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What if she has both, lol

"Oh, a snake!

I wonder if it's an adder or a viper?
Maybe it's a rattler or a cobra?
Shall we fk around and find out?
"
 

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No need to over analyze this stuff, just listen to Ava Max's advice on the subject matter, with the key overall point in bold:

"'Grab a cop gun' kinda crazy,
she's poison but tasty
Yeah, people say,
'Run, don't walk away'

'Cause she's sweet but a psycho,
a little bit psycho
At night, she's screamin',
"I'm-ma-ma-ma out my mind"

See, someone said, 'Don't drink her potions
She'll kiss your neck with no emotion
When she's mean, you know you love it
'Cause she tastes so sweet, don't sugarcoat it'

No, no, you'll play along
Let her lead you on
You'll be saying, 'No (no, no, no), no (no)'
Then saying, "Yes, yes, yes"
'Cause she messin' with your head (hey!)"
 

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When you meet women, and not just theorize about them on forums. When your dating is not just online swipes and daily masturbation. When you go out, meet women, have sex. When you interact with many women, your brain naturally recognizes what is normal. You inadvertently become a psychologist, and anything out of ordinary stands out and scream at you. So you don't need to worry about this subject, instead focus on acquiring that experience with women.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Female bipolars can usually function in society. BPDs are usually hot, tattooed, unemployed, chain smoking, drug addict...and I need to stop talking about my ex.
Do female bipolar have abandonment issues too?
 

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Do female bipolar have abandonment issues too?
That's a good question. A traumatic abandoned in the past is a hallmark of bpd, but I don't think they have a monopoly on it.

A friend of mine has a wife that I think is bipolar. She's like two different people. He's in love with one of them. The other is a nasty b!tch.
 

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A friend of mine has a wife that I think is bipolar. She's like two different people. He's in love with one of them. The other is a nasty b!tch.
Bipolar disorder is a mood disorder exhibited by extreme highs (mania) and extreme lows (depression).

Bipolar I (verses Bipolar 2 which is less severe) can sometimes involve some psychosis and delusional thinking but not always

Re the nastiness and 'like two different people," that speaks more to Borderline Personality Disorder which can often times co-exist with Bipolar.

Cleveland Clinic

You can have both bipolar disorder and borderline personality disorder (BPD) at the same time. This co-occurrence is sometimes referred to in clinical settings as "borderpolar".

Research shows that roughly 20% of people diagnosed with bipolar disorder also have BPD, and about 20% of people with BPD also meet the criteria for bipolar disorder.

Key Differences Between the Two Conditions
While both involve strong mood shifts and impulsivity, they are distinct psychiatric diagnoses:
  • Bipolar Disorder: A mood disorder characterized by distinct, episodic shifts in energy and mood (mania, hypomania, or clinical depression) that typically last for days, weeks, or months. These shifts are largely driven by internal biology rather than immediate external triggers.
  • Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD): A personality disorder marked by chronic instability in relationships, self-image, and emotions. Mood and anger shifts are usually rapid—lasting from minutes to hours—and are frequently triggered by interpersonal stress or a fear of abandonment. BPD also involves symptoms not core to bipolar disorder, such as a chronic sense of inner emptiness, severe identity disturbance, and frantic efforts to avoid abandonment.
 
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Borderline is more common than bipolar. Years ago we talked a lot about these types of girls on this forum.

I dated a few borderlines, one narcissist, and one bipolar. I studied a lot of psychology to recognize the patterns and traits because I enjoy understanding people and learning. It was fun but these girls caused me too much hell. I don't have the patience for it anymore. But the crazier the girl, the better she fuhks.

No point in distinguing between one brand of crazy and another. They will all make your life hell at some point. Relationships are hard enough with healthy minded folks.
 
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"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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