"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Bounce or stick around?

disgustipated

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Recently moved.

Neighbor chick, 40, invites herself over to my next door neighbor's get together and starts hitting on me, touching me too.

I start having a few beers at her place 1-2 times a week, heavy petting ensues. She still is "seeing" a guy from her job, I'm cool with it....give her PLENTY of space.

3rd time I'm over we hit it. 1st time sex, so so. 2nd time was much better.

In meantime she mentions how she never introduces a man to her daughter since her divorce. She ninja introduces me to her daughter(sneaky). Daughter doesn't hate me to mother's shock. Daughter warms up to me even. Mother is surprised, says daughter asks about me when not around. I never had a kid, kinda cool...whatever...I'm super guarded this might be manipulation on her part so I don't overreact.

Random Saturday night she stumbles to my door, drunk almost passed out...I pick her up, carry her back to her place and put her in bed, PJS, water on night stand...she begs me to stay the night.....even though the Fedor/Henderson fight is on at my place I stay(should've left). She sobers up in a few hours and we bang one out and nod off.

Next day, texted saying "I don't think we should hang out anymore". To myself I'm saying, this girl is drama and I don't even want to know the reason...I won't indulge her so I text back "ok, good luck out there".

This drives her crazy ofc, so she invites the ex back over and he stays the night...doesn't bother me except for the fact that I know she's TRYING to get me jealous. I don't like manipulators. Anyway she's constantly txting me now saying she misses me and the WORST is (my daughter has been asking about you a lot)...which COULD be true I suppose but is that not manipulation or just bad parenting? I mean what does she tell her daughter when she asks how come he doesn't come around any more mom? Certainly she doesn't tell her , "well, I love drama and just ****ed up a good thing by txting random bullsnot after a night when he took care of me".....

Anyway it's been a week or so now and she's still playing the daughter card and saying she misses me. Am I right in thinking this is not a keeper? My instincts say she isn't. Last night I gave in and had sex again, and cancelled on a girl that was a sure **** (ex). Tonight I have the same option, 2 girls, one girl wants me to watch a movie with her and the daughter, the other wants ****...in no uncertain terms.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Iceberg

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40 year old drunk with a kid and a boyfriend.

Hm. That's a tough one.

Maybe you should bring her a dozen roses, a Hallmark card, and work through this. She sounds like she could be "the one"
 

disgustipated

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Not that this makes this any better but, I'm near 40.

So far thanks for the advice, I'll be taking it.
 

Alex DeLarge

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This woman is a prime example of what this board teaches you to avoid at all costs. Hate to say it, but her daughter's probably going to grow up to be a little drunk slut just like mommy with that kind of parenting.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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