BLM, Racism, riots, entitlement's etc

[Spaz]

The police killing minorities is an exception, not the rule. But the protesters act like all police are the enemy. Maybe if they brought the police into the discussion they would have some good ideas on how to prevent such unfortunate events. But instead the police are all demonized.

The police as a whole has to take the blame since they are an essential service.

Policemen must be hired and trained to handle the job.

Can American Airlines hire a delusional pilot that goes kamikaze, resulting in hundreds of deaths and not take responsibility?

 

[Who Dares Win]

I was not talking about Marxism but police brutality. We can have a concensus opinion about slavery and you even agree about the civil rights movement (not sure about @Who Dares Win since I dont know about him) but not police brutality? You talk about me about Marxism but then its a two way street. You may have a point but if it gets hijacked by the kkk then you would not think I am fair to associate you with them to invalidate your point. Likewise I object to any association with the principle against police brutality with Marxism. Comminist countries have police states, but if Blacks and Browns have an unfair police state experience then the communist would mean other groups are treated as unfairly as Blacks and Browns. The goal is less unfair police treatment and no police brutaity period rather than equal police brutality (which is what your communism idea is). Do you see how that is contrary with a commitment to end police brutality?

In 2020 most of women believe that there is a rape culture, that they are discriminated and "patriarchy" is enforced...does it make it true?

It doesnt need reality to convince someone delusional enough that something is real, I find it very unlikeable that blacks are mistreated as a race in the US when the former leader was democratically elected and was partially black.

I agree with you that blacks are considered inferior in china or many asian countries, thats a fact which is why you dont see any going there nor any accepted as citizen in the first place but in the western world thats ridicolous unless of course equality instead of special treatment its a discrimination.

Regarding police violence, violent people is violent to whoever challenge them...I dont think a psycho who joined the police cause he never got laid in high school pick his targets according to a color scale.

 

[corrector]

If the KKK tried to hijack some point I was trying to make, I would speak out against them.

In a sense they are undermining your stance about a fair and unbiased police because a number of police officers are also KKK members, will call an actual lynching a suicide so nobody gets prosecuted, or have KKK memorabilia in their homes. There was an FBI warning issued some time ago about the KKK infiltrating police departments. A police killing from a police officer who also had ties to the KKK and then claims "he feared for his life" after killing an unarmed Black man would put everything in doubt right?

How many people support the KKK? Not too many.

Not as much as in the 1920s or earlier on, but it doesn't mean it's just a fringe group. If they have changed tactics from holding large meetings into infiltrating law enforcement agencies and going under the radar and taking over the police and criminal justice systems, then they have just become more smart. The type of people who take care of illegal immigrant detainees, are jail guards, police officers, also tend to attract people from these organizations.

I posted a link to a video earlier in a thread where a Black man was nearly lynched in a national park. The police were called in and guess who almost got arrested? The Black guy. He didn't receive treatment for his injuries and suffered a concussion. The hospital he saw a day later was outraged against the National Park and the police for siding with the people who nearly murdered the man.

So, honest, zekko, I feel you are misinformed as to the extent that the KKK (and other white supremacist groups) have infiltrated law enforcement, and how the current Trump administration has given a green light to these organizations by suspending any enforcement against them. Allot of talking points and re-tweets from the Trump has been from such organizations and hate crimes have gone up since Trump entered into office at a level not seen before.

I'm pleased we also have an agreement that the KKK and White Supremacists organizations are bad, and that racial violence and murder of other human beings such organizations deem to be inferior are also downright evil....but then we should also look at infiltration in law enforcement and officers who are carrying on clandestine lynching operations on the behest of such organizations under the colour of law.

In BLM's case, they are the Marxists. Oh, I'm sure there are many protesters who genuinely want to do some good, but even most of them are being used as dupes, and as a shield for anarchists.

Over the past number of years the BLM has made no such riots because the BLM was labelled as a hate organization by the Trump organization. Something like George Floyd had to happen under the same administration to galvanize people. The BLM became a fossil organization, like the Black Panthers when Trump was elected. There were police killings of minorities, but BLM and their people realize that because Trump was elected, nobody cared. Jeff Sessions, the former Attorney General winked at police killings by abandoning all the successful DOJ cases from the previous Eric Holder court orders where the DOJ did find egregious civil rights violations all over the various police department. The Trump administration has made it clear that it is their priority to protect the police at all cost.

Look at Eric Gardner. The Trump administration let this cop off the hook so he suffered absolutely no criminal consequences for the chokehold. Look at the message this administration has been sending. Of course protesting and riots were seen to be a complete waste of time because nobody is listening and nobody cared....until George Floyd happened.

So it's not just a protest with George Floyd. Its frustration with this president and way he's handled this issue from the get-go. It's bottled up anger from other previous police killings but they weren't able to protest because they could be arrested by the FBI for being part of a Black Extremist Orgnisation. Everything relating to Black identity groups was criminalized by the Trump administration while KKK groups were given a green-light and funding against them slashed.

So, zekko, allot of what you are saying has been hijacked by the KKK, and the KKK-friendly federal government. It has to take some incident like George Floyd to release a geyser where people just don't care anymore because they've got nothing to lose that even a designation of being part of a "Black Extremist Group" and being criminalized because of affiliation to BLM does not matter anymore.

Police brutality is a legitimate issue to discuss, but that doesn't mean anything goes. I don't believe in abolishing, defunding, or attacking all police. And if that issue is so important, how did it get so easily sidetracked to things like Mount Rushmore? Because the people running BLM have a far deeper agenda than simply dealing with police brutality, and the first thing they want to do is defund police, which I completely disagree with.

Trump did not have to do a July 4th speech at Mount Rushmore. Again, the president has allot of influence in setting the tone for reconciliation rather than adding more fuel to the fire. Again, please look at the KKK-friendly president and see if he's part of the problem, or if he's part of the solution.

Do you really think that the only thing holding white people back from lynching blacks is the law? You have your random group of nutballs, but I can guarantee you the vast, vast, vast majority of white people have no desire whatsoever to lynch a black person.

I did not say the law, I said the way the law is enforced. If the law is enforced in an uneven way (i.e. Whites who commit murder against a Black man is not prosecuted), then even if you have a law, then it doesn't mean anything because it's not enforced, and it's the non-enforcement, or acquittals, when there should be convictions, that changes everything.

Therefore, if the laws were enforced against police officers who commit hate crimes under the badge the same way Dylann Roof then there would be less police killings period. Laws are currently enforced properly if it's a Black police officer killing (accidental or intentionally) a White civilian. That is why you don't see the news dominated by Black officers killing White civilians. This is because such things are ust automatically enforced with a vengeance and the Black officer ends up in jail and serves time.

Emmit Till happened because of how things was in the past, including the way that the laws were enforced against White people who commit egregious hate crimes. George Floyd happened in 2020 because of the way the laws are enforced against White police officers who egregiously kill Black people. So, if a law against murder is not enforced because the perpetrator is the police and the victim is Black, then it means a value-statement is being made about the value of the life of the Black victim that his life is deemed to be too inferior for the State to protect. Such a value statement can only come from organization that is infiltrated by the KKK.

The police killing minorities is an exception, not the rule. But the protesters act like all police are the enemy. Maybe if they brought the police into the discussion they would have some good ideas on how to prevent such unfortunate events. But instead the police are all demonized.

But, the way that law is being enforced against White police officers who break the basic law "murder/thou shalt not kill" , when the victim is Black, is the rule. If they were properly prosecuted and laws are enforced as they would for everyone else or Dylann Roof, then there would be no issue. You had no mass BLM protest with Dylann Roof or other white supremacist murderers who were prosecuted properly in the criminal justice system. That is because when it's done under colour of law there appears to be a pass to the murder and that is unacceptable.

 

[Who Dares Win]

Let me play the prophet here, this is what will happen in the future.

Police officers all, whites especially will no longer uphold the law when the suspect or the obvious offender is a black man...too risky to do it and they all need a salary to feed their family.

People ALL (both whites and blacks) will get what is working and will become even more paranoid while dealing with black people.

There will be a mgtow type reaction where people will actively avoid those who can be "right" even when they are wrong...and guess who will get the most damaged both personally and professionally out of it?

 

[corrector]

Let me play the prophet here, this is what will happen in the future.

Police officers all, whites especially will no longer uphold the law when the suspect or the obvious offender is a black man...too risky to do it and they all need a salary to feed their family.

People ALL (both whites and blacks) will get what is working and will become even more paranoid while dealing with black people.

There will be a mgtow type reaction where people will actively avoid those who can be "right" even when they are wrong...and guess who will get the most damaged both personally and professionally out of it?

You mean like the officers who resigned because a bad cop pushed an old white man to the ground where he suffered a concussion?

We don't need officers like that. Officers have to operate at a better standard than the public, not a worst standard.

 

[Alvafe]

Nooo, slavery is bad, that's about the only thing all the different sides agree on.
From what I can tell, the people behind this want us all to live under a Marxist socialist regime, where we are told what to think and how we split our money up. That's the end goal, the USSA.


With all these "forced vacations" due to Covid, I wonder if we're creating a very lazy generation of people. A large group who are thinking "Hey, we don't have to work, we can just stay home and collect a check from the government". I heard a survey the other day, it was about all the people who have been working at home, it said something like only 17% wanted to return to the office at the end of this, everyone else wants to continue to stay home and work from home.

But yeah, hard workers get slammed for their privilege and for contributing to the "racist system". Successful black men have been ostracized for being "too white", black police officers have been called traitors to their race, and that they are "no longer black, they're blue". The people behind these demonstrations don't want you to work, they want you home collecting a government check where you are completely dependent on them, so they can control you, and use you to put them and keep them in power.

you mean overt slavery, a marxism socialist regime is a slavery in some way, with from history alone failed, every time they push this, it eventually failed.


for the lazy ones just see the moaning start when things start to cost too much and they luxury start to disapear.

from where I live i'm already hearing from people, its not only hard to sell things, but the what is sold is starting to have his price raised, all products are starting to disapear since there is no production and ther eis still some demand, you will see some civil war because of this soon

 

[Kotaix]

Again, you are not making any sense here at all. We are talking about police violence against Blacks (and others). What agency did George Floyd have to lift himself out of the chockhold other than saying "He cant breathe"? Are you saying Geroge Floyd, Breonna Taylor, Elijah Mccain could have done something else? What did they do? Breonna Taylor had a job at the hospital as a frontline worker. Is this how your country rewards people who treat people who are sick with Covid19? Are the police going to kill off more Black hospital workers so they won't save any more lives? What point are you trying to make again about someone else's fault? Would there be more of an outrage of a White doctor was killed by the police by a Black officer and the officer never got charged? Are you saying that all police brutality victims are unemployed and collecting welfare and good hard working Black people never get treated badly by police? What is your point?



You don't understand systematic racism if you keep looking at the exception rather than the rule.

There is little to no outrage when a white person is killed by the cops. There was a case in July 2018 where a white guy called Timothy Coffman died under the exact same circumstances as george floyd. You never heard about it and no one cares.

More unarmed white people were killed by the police in 2019 than were unarmed black people. You never heard about it, and no one cares.

How many unarmed blacks were killed in 2017 and 2018? Where was the worldwide outrage then? How many unarmed blacks were killed by police in the years of Obama's presidency? Where was the outrage then?

It's only outrageous when it's an election year and the democrats need to remind blacks of how victimized they are and can use the deaths of these people to make empty promises about how they're going to solve the problem.

You don't understand the concept of systemic. MLK fought and won to get rid of real systemic racism, real segregation. There are no racist rules anymore, there are only racist people. The police are not racist, there are only specific departments in specific cities that might be racist.

You are obsessed with race, it's no wonder you can't see anything else.

 

[samspade]

The police killing minorities is an exception, not the rule.

So are child-molesting priests. The problem is that nothing much gets done to eradicate it, in both cases. Like Spaz said, it's a lack of accountability.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Looks like the US Federal government is priming for its test run to take over American cities. Cause you know, gotta round up all those scary black and brown people.

Martial Law sounds fun!

 

[Spaz]

Looks like the US Federal government is priming for its test run to take over American cities. Cause you know, gotta round up all those scary black and brown people.

Martial Law sounds fun!

Calm down Brollin.

Nothing big has ever been accomplished without the beginning small steps, nothing great has ever been achieved without the determination of the first few believers - remember that.

Focus on what's important for your community.

 

[Who Dares Win]

You mean like the officers who resigned because a bad cop pushed an old white man to the ground where he suffered a concussion?

We don't need officers like that. Officers have to operate at a better standard than the public, not a worst standard.

How does a single episode proves a rule or a trend?

Geez is like talking to women where you tell em that eating junk food makes you fat and they answer that their friend brenda eats lotta mc donald and she is thin.

Emotion, emotions and again emotions...you are one of those smarty pants that base his opinion about open borders on a single picture of a syrian kid died on a turkish beach.

Hey you know what, once in kensington I got a black guy asking me some coins to get the newspaper, he only had banknotes and needed some change cause the machine was coins only, I guess that you as a black guy never have the current amount of coins needed to buy the newspaper and ask people for change right, thats the way to evaluate facts?

 

[EyeBRollin]

Calm down Brollin.

Nothing big has ever been accomplished without the beginning small steps, nothing great has ever been achieved without the determination of the first few believers - remember that.

Focus on what's important for your community.

Are you saying a Federal militarized police occupation of cities should cause no concern?

 

[corrector]

There is little to no outrage when a white person is killed by the cops. There was a case in July 2018 where a white guy called Timothy Coffman died under the exact same circumstances as george floyd. You never heard about it and no one cares.

More unarmed white people were killed by the police in 2019 than were unarmed black people. You never heard about it, and no one cares.

How many unarmed blacks were killed in 2017 and 2018? Where was the worldwide outrage then? How many unarmed blacks were killed by police in the years of Obama's presidency? Where was the outrage then?

It's only outrageous when it's an election year and the democrats need to remind blacks of how victimized they are and can use the deaths of these people to make empty promises about how they're going to solve the problem.

You don't understand the concept of systemic. MLK fought and won to get rid of real systemic racism, real segregation. There are no racist rules anymore, there are only racist people. The police are not racist, there are only specific departments in specific cities that might be racist.

You are obsessed with race, it's no wonder you can't see anything else.

Read reply to @zekko #432 .

Most issues you've raised here are covered on that post. If I leave an academic type of post then I expect it to be read before this discussion can advance forward.

You are making references to White people killed by police. You again are countering an argument that I have never made in the first place. I never said police brutality is okay if it's not a Black person. I'm saying its wrong when only Black cops are immediately punished for brutality against White people. Don't you think that's wrong too? Name one Black cop who wasn't punished for killing a White civilian. Is our only expectation of quick and immediate accountability, without needing any police reform, is if it's a Black officer, or a non-White officer (occasionally used as a scapegoat)?

There has also been scale-backs since the civil rights movement. Supreme Court struck down laws and you've got voter suppression cropping up again. We have yet to see if people have access to the polls who intend to vote Ds. The current president would roll everything back to the 50s if he could and we've definitely seen pushbacks in various areas, such as defunding Black business loans, or banks refusing to give out covid loan money out to Black businesses despite they would have made a profit if they did. You just sound very painfully ignorant of the current issues that are going on. But I have a feeling that people have a certain narrative they want to believe and are refusing to look at evidence.

I'm not just talking about BLM, you've got Amnesty International, Democracy Now, other news programs that are dedicated to truthful reporting. I'm going to start referring to other type of justice organizations and distance myself from BLM in these discussions because this is creating too much controversy and confusion. But everyone throwing the baby with the bathwater because of key-words like Marxism / Communism, but it doesn't mean it didn't raise valid points.

 

[EyeBRollin]

It should cause infinitely L E S S concern to honest, peaceful, patriotic American citizens...than the violent radical Marxist mobs currently dominating the streets of DemonKKKrap-run cities, which you obviously prefer.

The only ones who should be scared are Anquifa, and their BLM biitches.

You think Federal paramilitary occupation of cities is.... American?

 

[EyeBRollin]

So, if the precedent set by the Father of Our Country represents what's American, then, Hell YES! In fact, I would be in favor of sending elite military units of our standing armed forces in to mop up this mess, and I'd happily be re-activated, for the honor of performing my patriotic duty!

So you’d be happy to join “elite military units” in taking up arms against your fellow citizens?

 

[EyeBRollin]

Domestic Terrorists aren't my "fellow citizens." Yes. Happily.

....so you consider people exercising their First Amendment right to protest.. not citizens.. but terrorists?

 

[Who Dares Win]

So you’d be happy to join “elite military units” in taking up arms against your fellow citizens?

Well in Europe there is eurogendfor for this purpose so if polish people rebel you send german troops, if germans rebel you send french and if french rebel you send italians and so on.

....so you consider people exercising their First Amendment right to protest.. not citizens.. but terrorists?

Are you gonna ask such question also about the second one or in that case the constitution needs to be reviewd?

 

[corrector]

How does a single episode proves a rule or a trend?

What do you want me to do, post a whole bunch of videos? At least I'm doing something more than talking out of my a$$ all the time like you are.

 

[zekko]

Looks like the US Federal government is priming for its test run to take over American cities. Cause you know, gotta round up all those scary black and brown people.

The Feds are there to protect Federal property - Federal buildings, monuments, etc., as they are well within their rights to do.
If the mayors running these cities would protect property in their own cities, there would be no need for the Feds to come in.
But the mayors want the chaos and destruction, because it adds more money to their re-election campaigns.

 

[Who Dares Win]

What do you want me to do, post a whole bunch of videos? At least I'm doing something more than talking out of my a$$ all the time like you are.

I would like you to think about facts and data rather than episodes, bonus point if you keep your emotions in check and dont throw temper tantrums...this is not seattle.

Even if you post a whole bunch of videos it means nothing, Im sure someone can provide as much if not more about hitlers youth being nice little kid playing football in the grass fields yet as we know it was not that case.