jophil28
Master Don Juan
Jophil's TinFoil Rule #3457-
Never got involved in a triangle.
Never got involved in a triangle.
She says the movie looks dumb; you suddenly agree. She tests you with a little attitude; you apologize for nothing.
You think you're being easy to get along with. She reads something else entirely: a man with no edges. Nothing to hold on to. No friction, no tension, no reason to wonder what he really thinks.
The "22 Rules" taught me to push back — playfully, calmly, without needing her approval. Strange things happened after that.
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Captain Save _____ to the rescue! And an emotional tampon (by his own words). Making sure she does not just sink in a pit of depression (what are you...his girlfriend? her sister?)Sir Juanalot said:I've been a bit of an emotional tampon with her, as i used to do a lot of counselling, and made sure she wasn't going to just sink in a pit of depression.
Over the last 6 weeks, we have been seeing more and more of each other, and i am starting to have feelings for her.
jophil28 said:Jophil's TinFoil Rule #3457-
Never got involved in a triangle.
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
A friend you only kinda know fair enough root away. But a best friend as the title of the thread states, I don't think so. You are basically saying a root is worth more then the potential to ruin or taint the friendship. Not only that but you would have to have a scarcity mindset to do it in the first place. I’m sure everyone has been put in this position once or twice. I would have loved to have banged on a few mates ex's but I have plenty of other options and so should you. And the potential for the woman to use you as a weapon against your best friend is also a major issue.WestCoaster said:4. Men shouldn't date friend's EX-wives or EX-gf's: B.S., they're no longer the "property" of that man. It wouldn't be my first choice, but my point is all these f--king rules that have men's nuts in a vice. I think Rollo Tomassi calls them socially operative conventions, or something like that.
There is WAY too much to lose in this scenario. And if a man comes to this board and ask for advice on this issue...then that man is not prepare to take that chance.WestCoaster said:According to this board and society, here's the drill:
1. Men can't date co-workers: B.S., I've dated some nice women from work.
There might be nice women out of the net. But men with options don't need the internet.2. Men shouldn't date off the internet: B.S., I've dated some nice women off the net.
Bars is for people to drink. The likelihood of finding "wife" material in a bar are very low.3. Men shouldn't meet women in bars: B.S., I've met some nice women in bars.
I call it...having CHARACTER and OPTIONS.4. Men shouldn't date friend's EX-wives or EX-gf's: B.S., they're no longer the "property" of that man. It wouldn't be my first choice, but my point is all these f--king rules that have men's nuts in a vice. I think Rollo Tomassi calls them socially operative conventions, or something like that.
True. Keeping in mind about the "likelihood" and "probabilities" of certain consequences based on our choices. My advice is always based on likelihoods.Part of being a DJ is not listening to society and forging your own path.
Standing ovation, West.WestCoaster said:She's not married, her husband has left her for another woman.
While if I was the guy here, she wouldn't be my first choice, here's the deal: In society -- and oddly on this board -- men have their nuts in a vice and most people here are agreeing with it.
According to this board and society, here's the drill:
1. Men can't date co-workers: B.S., I've dated some nice women from work.
2. Men shouldn't date off the internet: B.S., I've dated some nice women off the net.
3. Men shouldn't meet women in bars: B.S., I've met some nice women in bars.
4. Men shouldn't date friend's EX-wives or EX-gf's: B.S., they're no longer the "property" of that man. It wouldn't be my first choice, but my point is all these f--king rules that have men's nuts in a vice. I think Rollo Tomassi calls them socially operative conventions, or something like that.
So this leaves us with the hit and miss style of dating, and the dreaded "set up" by a friend (my friends have bad taste in women, I don't want to get set up by them).
After awhile you're stuck with hardly any venues to meet or date women because society -- and this board, oddly, which has adopted these rules -- has demanded that men can't do anything. Can't date women from work, school, an ex- from a friend and so forth. Jeeeeesus, man, can't we get out of our own way?
I would venture to guess there are thousands of marriages in this country of guys who married their friend's ex-gf or ex-wife, and it worked out well for both parties.
Can we quit with the "bro's before ho's" and "triangles" and never do this, that, this that, go by the rules.
Part of being a DJ is not listening to society and forging your own path.
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
A more important part of being a MAN (forget the DJ fantasy stuff for a moment ) is to respect and protect your own dignity, welfare. wellbeing and reputation, both with your peers, the wider community AND yourself, most importantly.WestCoaster said:Part of being a DJ is not listening to society and forging your own path.
How does the phrase go, 'never get your pink where you get your green'WestCoaster said:Men can't date co-workers: B.S., I've dated some nice women from work.
Good matrix slogan, as is "don't fish off your own dock."IronStar said:How does the phrase go, 'never get your pink where you get your green'
I've found that if you question making a decision on something, often times it's just not worth it. There's a reason behind the questioning, for some reason, it doesn't seem natural. Ie...the right thing to do.jophil28 said:A more important part of being a MAN (forget the DJ fantasy stuff for a monet ) is to respect and protect your own dignity, welfare and wellbeing and reputation, both with your peers, the wider community AND yourself, most importantly.
"Forging your own path " is noble and admirable, however, to do so is NOT free license to plunder, scavenge and bottom feed just because you CAN..
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
i'm going to tell you why he is pathetic and why this is a huge no go.STR8UP said:Standing ovation, West.
I've been saying this for a long time now.....the kind of stuff you mention is the matrix disguised. Guys who THINK they have made it out are still in because of some of these ridiculous notions they cling to.
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.