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re this feedback of ‘zero salesmanship/ sub autistic game’ (lol)

consider this
If that chick was really offended or insulted ,she would have left the chat , not thrown me a line like that, after my hookup proposal.

I reckon she was interested, just had to throw that out there as anti slut defence or just see how I handled it.

So that’s a very short direct text exchange to garner an interest level . Which is a good result imo. I dropped the ball but I could correct on that if it goes the same way next time.

There is an old saying “It's Easier to Ask Forgiveness Than It Is To Get Permission”. So I wouldn’t be so touchy about ‘insulting’ some random chick by proposing a hookup off the bat.
Why not?

Duke - your statement of ”There isn't a girl out there that wants to feel like all you want her for is sex.” That’s completely incorrect buddy. Plenty are happy enough with that as a starter. For some, it may be all they want, at that time.
 

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There is an old saying “It's Easier to Ask Forgiveness Than It Is To Get Permission”.
So thought Marlin Grey and his compadres, when they encountered a couple of comely sisters and one annoying obstacle, on Chain And Rocks Bridge, back in '91 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Julie_and_Robin_Kerry Mistaking the adage you provided for Holy Writ bought Marl a needle in the arm, courtesy the state of Missouri, and the two numbskulls who accompanied him that night a prolonged stay in the pokey each

All levity aside, OP...
Posting a question on a forum, then firing back with lengthy tracts which desperately attempt to paint yourself as inerrant whenever folks reply, makes less sense than gifting Addison Rae a pair of jeans that don't ride half-way off her ass, then anticipating that she'll actually wear them

It's becoming to instead reply with words to the effect: "Thanks. I'll give the counsel I've received here a whirl", then go out into the fresh air and apply what you've learned
 

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OP,

There are no real canned lines for OLD or dating in general. You need to have a free flowing conversation that is authentic and not expect some PUA nonsense to save you with a quippy one-liner. Those things may work on a 16 year old in high school but not IRL.

The exchange you posted was an abysmal attempt at conversation. An easy way to get things off the ground is to look at something in their profile for OLD and comment on it. If IRL, look at their drink, food, or clothing and comment on it. It gets things started and you go from there. I suggest you start interacting with strangers, both woman AND men, out in public and just improve on your conversation skills in general.
 

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All levity aside, OP...
Posting a question on a forum, then firing back with lengthy tracts which desperately attempt to paint yourself as inerrant whenever folks reply, makes less sense than gifting Addison Rae a pair of jeans that don't ride half-way off her ass, then anticipating that she'll actually wear them

It's becoming to instead reply with words to the effect: "Thanks. I'll give the counsel I've received here a whirl", then go out into the fresh air and apply what you've learned
well yes, I did post a question. About banter.
And so far have got not a single example of any?
Not one single line , or one back and forth.

I’ve gotten
- we need a chat to ‘help you’
- ur chat is wrong/retarded
- screen for qualities (no example)
- have great salesmanship (no example)
- do ur homework, find it urself on the forum
- use chat GPT
- why do u want to use banter be careful you may be in your feminine
- use DHVs instead
- canned lines don’t work

sheesh.
No sure how I take all fhat out to the fresh air and whirl it tbh. There’s nothing there.
Most of the above translates as
“ we don’t know how to do it either” more or less.

Billy Pilgrims advice re word association was the most useful and related to the OP.

Didn’t think it’d be this hard asking for some examples on a pickup forum.

But there ya go.
 
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I think most people do not want to post their OLD conversations because they might get doxed.

I don't do OLD. Sorry I can't help you out.
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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I think most people do not want to post their OLD conversations because they might get doxed.

I don't do OLD. Sorry I can't help you out.
no worries. There’s not been much help so far anyways. As for posting convos folks just need to delete the chicks name.
OP,

There are no real canned lines for OLD or dating in general. You need to have a free flowing conversation that is authentic and not expect some PUA nonsense to save you with a quippy one-liner. Those things may work on a 16 year old in high school but not IRL.

The exchange you posted was an abysmal attempt at conversation. An easy way to get things off the ground is to look at something in their profile for OLD and comment on it. If IRL, look at their drink, food, or clothing and comment on it. It gets things started and you go from there. I suggest you start interacting with strangers, both woman AND men, out in public and just improve on your conversation skills in general.
I don’t get that, if the lines are sharp enough I don’t see why they wouldn’t work on OLD. It’s all texting.
I’ve had plenty of authentic and free flowing convos in chats that went nowhere. That doesn’t seem to work either. It seems to be too flat.

Banter and teasing seems to be the only reliable thing that works for me to get some solid traction to show some value and influence the chick to meet up. When I can get it going that is.
 

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Not one single line , or one back and forth.
Yeah, you did https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/banter-lines-need-material.284670/#post-3170056

 

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This is painful. Nobody can actually be this bad
Not much has changed since The 2000s... Folks are still on the hunt for a Silver Bullet Fix for their troubles, be it a few words that'll make some broad spread her legs the minute she hears them, or Going Your Own Way/pretending to not be part of the larger society

No one wants to hear

"There are no magic lines that'll make her yours... Becoming an alluring conversationalist requires you to read some books, get some coaching, etc + Practice what you learn"

Or

"Going Your Own Way/being a Strong, Independent Man is just one component over a larger process. Unless you move to some remote corner of The Yukon, you'll still be navigating relations with the other 8 billion and some folks you share the planet with"
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Yeah, you did https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/banter-lines-need-material.284670/#post-3170056

I found 2 little bits in that big discussion:

“I'm flying to South Africa to hunt wildebeest, and you're coming with me"

“Well I was planning to dominate the world today, but it's [insert time] and I'm a little too late for that.
I'll have to settle for Mongolia instead.”


Yeah. They’re ok. But imo a little.. meh , nice guy-ish. Or cartoony. They are not teases. Or risky.

3 I recall using off the top of my head

>“ you look like Stiflers Mom” (she did)

>“how many leopards had to DIE so you could wear that dress tonite?” (Cheesy but worked)

>“I just had to tell you - your profile sucks “ (Online and worked )

2 out of 3 of those interactions led to me getting laid. And a fair few others in a similar way.
 

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2 out of 3 of those interactions led to me getting laid. And a fair few others in a similar way.
It'd behoove you to use more lines similar to those 2, and scrap everything akin to the ineffectual 3rd then, wouldn't it?
 

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I found 2 little bits in that big discussion:

“I'm flying to South Africa to hunt wildebeest, and you're coming with me"

“Well I was planning to dominate the world today, but it's [insert time] and I'm a little too late for that.
I'll have to settle for Mongolia instead.”


Yeah. They’re ok. But imo a little.. meh , nice guy-ish. Or cartoony. They are not teases. Or risky.

3 I recall using off the top of my head

>“ you look like Stiflers Mom” (she did)

>“how many leopards had to DIE so you could wear that dress tonite?” (Cheesy but worked)

>“I just had to tell you - your profile sucks “ (Online and worked )

2 out of 3 of those interactions led to me getting laid. And a fair few others in a similar way.
It never hurts to have some followup lines handy to make sure the initial opener carries some momentum into the larger convo
 

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It never hurts to have some followup lines handy to make sure the initial opener carries some momentum into the larger convo
What he's doing is The Manosphere equivalent of what one finds among so many up and coming comics(folks who often draw all their inspiration from contemporary performers) these days, who focus myopically on developing their crowd work, under the belief that:
"Matt Rife rode to glory on TicToc footage of himself joshing with audiences*, therefore doing nothing but crowd work will be my key to success also". Goes without saying, this ignores the fact that crowd work is but one aspect of being a comic who really achieves staying power



*And even this interpretation of reality batters the facts more heinously than the number Heard and Depp did on each other, during their trash fire of a union. Sit through an actual hour of any of Rife, Gillis, et al's specials... Whatever one thinks about their work itself, these fellas DO NOT rely solely or even primairly on crowd work, same way Jimmy Carr's one-liners are ultimately just one component of his act, even if it has become the one he's most renowned for
 
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Like so many fellas, he craves "magic words" or/and a single strategy or technique that'll set the world right, once and for all. Which is a lousy substitute for actually becoming an adept conversationalist. Something he could practice here*, in his chats with us, yet chooses not to


*Example: When someone observed "Your salesmanship was weak", he could reply: "Ok. How could I strengthen my salesmanship? What's worked for you, both lately and in the past?", rather than shooting down the counsel he's received
Well I gotta say.
As soon as TheDuke said “ There isn't a girl out there that wants to feel like all you want her for is sex” . There was no point reading on. As he obviously hasn’t gotten laid on a one night stand.

All this convo ‘proves’ is a guy can come on and ask for some simple examples of some teases to use with chicks.
Yknow standard basic pickup 101 stuff .
and y’all ain’t got **** . Not even one lame one.

You can try reframe it every which way but that’s what’s occurred. It’s pretty clear.

but hey man if any of you experienced guys feel like giving me a masterclass in OLD texting. Go right ahead and post an awesome chat with some killer game moves. Go on, chuck it up here and teach us all how it’s really done.

oh but let me guess? You don’t do OLD right ? Wow what a coincidence.

yeah I know all about Salesmen alright.,,,
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Well I gotta say.
As soon as TheDuke said “ There isn't a girl out there that wants to feel like all you want her for is sex” . There was no point reading on. As he obviously hasn’t gotten laid on a one night stand.

All this convo ‘proves’ is a guy can come on and ask for some simple examples of some teases to use with chicks.
Yknow standard basic pickup 101 stuff .
and y’all ain’t got **** . Not even one lame one.

You can try reframe it every which way but that’s what’s occurred. It’s pretty clear.

but hey man if any of you experienced guys feel like giving me a masterclass in OLD texting. Go right ahead and post an awesome chat with some killer game moves. Go on, chuck it up here and teach us all how it’s really done.

oh but let me guess? You don’t do OLD right ? Wow what a coincidence.

yeah I know all about Salesmen alright.,,,
I rewrote the comment you're replying to. Go read it
 

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I rewrote the comment you're replying to. Go read it
hey Baron
You got any teases to use on OLD chats with chicks?
Anything at all?
Like I said - post something up buddy.
Give me the masterclass example in texting game.
I’m all eyes for it.
 

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You got any teases to use on OLD chats with chicks?
If you MUST continue relying heavily on OLD, rather than approaching out in the wild it pays to say what you want outright, with words to the effect of:

"You're remarkably alluring, both physically and mentally. Drop by (insert location and time)... I want to see, speak with, and run my hands over you, in the flesh"

Keep things concise, resist the urge to be clever-clever, and learn how to write sentences which at least appear to be the work of a psychologically sturdy, sexually confident MAN
 

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If you MUST continue relying heavily on OLD, rather than approaching out in the wild it pays to say what you want outright, with words to the effect of:

"You're remarkably alluring, both physically and mentally. Drop by (insert location and time)... I want to see, speak with, and run my hands over you, in the flesh"

Keep things concise, resist the urge to be clever-clever, and learn how to write sentences which at least appear to be the work of a psychologically sturdy, sexually confident MAN
This is all good advice that I would agree with and a solid bit of texting material I can use. Thanks Baron.
 

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Well I gotta say.
As soon as TheDuke said “ There isn't a girl out there that wants to feel like all you want her for is sex” . There was no point reading on. As he obviously hasn’t gotten laid on a one night stand.

All this convo ‘proves’ is a guy can come on and ask for some simple examples of some teases to use with chicks.
Yknow standard basic pickup 101 stuff .
and y’all ain’t got **** . Not even one lame one.

You can try reframe it every which way but that’s what’s occurred. It’s pretty clear.

but hey man if any of you experienced guys feel like giving me a masterclass in OLD texting. Go right ahead and post an awesome chat with some killer game moves. Go on, chuck it up here and teach us all how it’s really done.

oh but let me guess? You don’t do OLD right ? Wow what a coincidence.

yeah I know all about Salesmen alright.,,,
You’re not a good troll.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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