"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Hey guys. A big problem of mine is that Im bad at conversation. If there are three people present, and other parties are putting new topics and ideas in a discussion, I can talk for days and Im ****ing hilarious. But one on one, particularly with girls, I have nothing to say! And when I try to think of fun, interesting things to say, I get even more mentally congested and it ends up being an awkward dead silence. What do you guys think would help? Or what do you guys do to aid conversations?
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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rocco

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wow, im like the total opposite. im better in one on one conversations, but suck at group conversations.
 

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Do the same thing. Find random stuff to talk about, and add in the personal questions.

Really, 1on1, or 1on2 is the easiest to grab ideas from, because you have the focus. Try asking a girl in a group of 10 a personal question, it'll divert off real quick.
 

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not that it's "constructive" advice.... but i'm the same way.

i notice it everyday in chemistry, got a few of my friends, and we're friends with a few of the girls in there.

we'll go to ihop and **** after class, or just shoot the **** in class.. can talk pretty well.

i'm not paralyzed when it comes to one on one conversation, it's just a difference that pisses me off some.

if i get some pointers, i'll post :p
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Looks like I posted some good shyt back in the day.
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=91202&highlight=conversation - Pickups, Naturally. Directly in line with conversation.

And Wham...I kept this guy's link for a reason. http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=77974&highlight=peacocking - Natural Game vs. Indirect Routine-based Game

Two links to get you started (well, three)!! :)
-My formatting seems to be permament.. :(
--Another edit, http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=77988, same guy, but he has a whole slew of stuff.
 

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Forget about what YOU have to say, she doesn't really care anyways.

Rather, ASK QUESTIONS. Make a list of like 30 questions you could ask a girl and memorize it. When the conversation dies, resort to your list and go through it.

I promise you, that by the end of the night she'll find you to be the absoulte greatest conversationalist ever.
 

Kev07

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there is one big difference between talking one on one and talking in groups

talking one on one=conversation
talking in groups=story telling, debate, joking

the key difference in those things is taht in a conversation, LISTENING is the most important part, where as when you talk in groups, you can just talk about random stuff all day long and it will go on forever, if you talk about random stuff in a one on one conversation, then it will just lead to awkward silence all the time.

this also means that the girl has to cooperate, and if she likes you she will, if she's giving lots of close ended answers, then either she's an idiot or is not interested, next her
 

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conversations should be 80-20 and instead of bombarding her with questions you should think of some interesting topics that you know a lot about and r funny
it makes u look smart and interesting
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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