"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

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Average no. of Dates to f*ck close

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hey guys.

okay, been meaning to ask this for a while: in your experience and/or knowledge, what is the average number of dates (average in every sense: average girl, average guy, average IL, etc.) before a f*ck close?

Here, date means any time spent together after the initial meeting: could be dinner+movie, time spent at yours/her place, etc.

EDIT: This does NOT include one night stands, only girls whom you have or would be willing to wait longer than one night for.

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“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

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My record was 2 hours upon meeting her.

Usually, I think I can do it on the second date on a girl with high IL.

Depends though. But when you reach 4-6 dates with little progress I'd next her.
 
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wouldn't this whole thing be skewed by your number of ONS? I can't speak for everybody here but I know the bulk of my sex comes from girls who I won't be seeing very often even less dating. If you're looking for an average that'll bring the number down significantly.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Ok, now that it has been edited it would take me 2-5 dates usually. that would average to 3-4 or 3.5 dates I guess?

this is based on a girl with equal or higher value to me. :)
 
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