"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Average no. of Dates to f*ck close

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lebRambo

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hey guys.

okay, been meaning to ask this for a while: in your experience and/or knowledge, what is the average number of dates (average in every sense: average girl, average guy, average IL, etc.) before a f*ck close?

Here, date means any time spent together after the initial meeting: could be dinner+movie, time spent at yours/her place, etc.

EDIT: This does NOT include one night stands, only girls whom you have or would be willing to wait longer than one night for.

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"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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My record was 2 hours upon meeting her.

Usually, I think I can do it on the second date on a girl with high IL.

Depends though. But when you reach 4-6 dates with little progress I'd next her.
 
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wouldn't this whole thing be skewed by your number of ONS? I can't speak for everybody here but I know the bulk of my sex comes from girls who I won't be seeing very often even less dating. If you're looking for an average that'll bring the number down significantly.
 

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She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Ok, now that it has been edited it would take me 2-5 dates usually. that would average to 3-4 or 3.5 dates I guess?

this is based on a girl with equal or higher value to me. :)
 
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