"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Average no. of Dates to f*ck close

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hey guys.

okay, been meaning to ask this for a while: in your experience and/or knowledge, what is the average number of dates (average in every sense: average girl, average guy, average IL, etc.) before a f*ck close?

Here, date means any time spent together after the initial meeting: could be dinner+movie, time spent at yours/her place, etc.

EDIT: This does NOT include one night stands, only girls whom you have or would be willing to wait longer than one night for.

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"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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My record was 2 hours upon meeting her.

Usually, I think I can do it on the second date on a girl with high IL.

Depends though. But when you reach 4-6 dates with little progress I'd next her.
 
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wouldn't this whole thing be skewed by your number of ONS? I can't speak for everybody here but I know the bulk of my sex comes from girls who I won't be seeing very often even less dating. If you're looking for an average that'll bring the number down significantly.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Ok, now that it has been edited it would take me 2-5 dates usually. that would average to 3-4 or 3.5 dates I guess?

this is based on a girl with equal or higher value to me. :)
 
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